Who’s our next qb?

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I agree with odegaard

 

[JosiahLee]

What exactly have you seen from Malik Willis that makes you want to pay him $25m a year to start?

If Sam Darnold got paid 33 mil a year from Seattle after winning 14 games, Malik deserves like 7 mil a year. Of course someone will overpay but yeah, I hope it’s not the Cardinals.

 

[BritCard]

I find it strange that you don't see how those two statements contradict each other. I mean, unless you can provide surefire evidence that says you are right, of course.

It's called projections.

That's what the word evidence means.

Even projections is BS. There is nothing to project. In the last 2 years he had 1 good game and one average game. Neither of which were as good as Kyler.

It's not a projection, it's pure unadulterated rolling of the dice. People think as it doesn't cost them anything why not take a long shot on Willis and maybe he'll be awesome and they can say they were right. It's pure hopium.

95% chance he's a massive bust.

 

[BritCard]

in GB:

70/89 passing, 10.9 per attempt (!), for 972 yards, 6 TDS, 0 ints. Added 261 yards rushing + 3 TDs. Nearly all of this was in 4 games.

if thats an average Kyler start, he would have a couple MVPs at this point

It's 240 yards a game and 1.5 TDs.

Kyler is career 235 yards per game and 1.5 TDs. It's literally average Kyler.

Except Kyler did it with all the pressure of a starter, both as a rookie and on a big deal, and wasn't a no hoper backup with nothing to lose and no pressure.

But if you're impressed by those stats I know a guy who threw for 1118 yards, 8 TDs and 1 INT in 4 games this year that costs us nothing.

 

[BritCard]

If Sam Darnold got paid 33 mil a year from Seattle after winning 14 games, Malik deserves like 7 mil a year. Of course someone will overpay but yeah, I hope it’s not the Cardinals.

For what he has done in the league even $7m is generous.

I'd be amazed if anyone pays him more than $12m. Maybe he gets something with some big performance elevators. But I don't see anyone giving him a £20m APY multi year deal.

Another way to look atthis is that Willis is obviously worse than Jordan Love, and Jordan Love is a bang average QB. So why would anyone want someone worse?

 

[Totally_Red]

If Sam Darnold got paid 33 mil a year from Seattle after winning 14 games, Malik deserves like 7 mil a year. Of course someone will overpay but yeah, I hope it’s not the Cardinals.

Kyler Murray is getting $46 million for winning 3 or 4

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I do think the info from the Packers will be crucial. If the Packers’ LaFleur says Willis can play in this league I’d buy it. In the long run it may be the cheapest route to fixing that problem.

To me, this is the key.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sure. Projected by Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah and friends. And the “sure bet draft prospect” doesn’t exist.



Yes, but that is only a problem if he doesn’t pan out. If he fails, and if next year’s draft is better QB-wise, then yes, your point makes sense. All of that is speculation, though, and from that perspective you could also argue that if he pans out, no draft pick will ever be too high for him.



Again, yes, I agree, but if you draft a quarterback at #3 overall it is obviously not with the plan that he fails. If you do in fact think that you could get him with a later pick, then yes, it is bad tactics to take ham as early as possible.

I understand your argument. If you like a quarterback take him with your first pick no matter where that is. But that’s just bad resource management.

That’s akin to “I really like the look of this stainless steel chain. I’ll wear it everyday but they are charging me the equivalent of 14ct gold prices. But I like it so I’ll pay it.” That’s just not good decision making.

 

[football karma]

kinda two paths:

It's 240 yards a game and 1.5 TDs.

Kyler is career 235 yards per game and 1.5 TDs. It's literally average Kyler.

its not the same

Willis got his 240 on 30% fewer completions

and again: its 4 games of real NFL data to evaluate when you project. You can claim its nothing, but its way, way more than nothing.

if the Cardinals got QB play from Kyler where they averaged 240 yards a game on 24 attempts and a 5 or 6 to 1 TD / INT ratio we would be talking the size of his extension rather than cutting or trading him

 

[Gandhi]

That's what the word evidence means.

Even projections is BS. There is nothing to project. In the last 2 years he had 1 good game and one average game. Neither of which were as good as Kyler.

It's not a projection, it's pure unadulterated rolling of the dice. People think as it doesn't cost them anything why not take a long shot on Willis and maybe he'll be awesome and they can say they were right. It's pure hopium.

95% chance he's a massive bust.

It really is stunning to me that you still cannot see it. You are making a projection, BritCard. Even though you say they are BS and that they cannot be done. You do know that negative projections exist, right?

 

[Gandhi]

I understand your argument. If you like a quarterback take him with your first pick no matter where that is. But that’s just bad resource management.

That’s akin to “I really like the look of this stainless steel chain. I’ll wear it everyday but they are charging me the equivalent of 14ct gold prices. But I like it so I’ll pay it.” That’s just not good decision making.

I actually mostly agree with you, Ouchie - except when it comes to the QB-position. In my opinion, your conviction in a quarterback overrules everything about resource management, simply because it is so essential to have a quality QB. If you are only pretty sure that he will be good, then sure, your strategy is certainly the correct one.

I just think that even if you are convinced that all 31 other teams do not rate the specific quarterback as high as you, it is still too risky to play the draft-game with that. You could be wrong, and then you have missed a golden opportunity to change your franchise. With every other position, I think you are completely correct.

 

[vince56]

I’d rather snag 42 year old Aaron Rodgers on a one year deal and try to make a 1 year run at the playoffs. If it doesn’t work out, draft a QB next year. Next year should have a few more viable options than this year.

Having said that, if Ty Simpson is available in the 2nd, snag him. But don’t waste a top 5 pick on a prospect that needs so much development. Just my thoughts right now. Aaron Rodgers with Ty Simpson on the bench and learning would be a good thing, I imagine.

 

[Chopper0080]

kinda two paths:

its not the same

Willis got his 240 on 30% fewer completions

and again: its 4 games of real NFL data to evaluate when you project. You can claim its nothing, but its way, way more than nothing.

if the Cardinals got QB play from Kyler where they averaged 240 yards a game on 24 attempts and a 5 or 6 to 1 TD / INT ratio we would be talking the size of his extension rather than cutting or trading him

Making significant jumps to conclusions based on small sample size metrics is a boom or bust proposition.

Malik's sample size is extremely small. Like 25% of Ty Simpson's college sample size in attempts. He has two career games in 4 years where he has attempted more than 20 passes, both resulting in losses.

Also, Malik wasn't a former top 10 pick who underachieved ala Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield which indicates untapped potential. Malik was a 3rd round pick who has been in a QB starved league for 4 years.

Such a different scenario and one that has a very few examples of paying off. So, yeah, Malik Willis for a 5 mil per year is fine, but he has done nothing to make more than that.

 

[Proximo]

For what he has done in the league even $7m is generous.

I'd be amazed if anyone pays him more than $12m. Maybe he gets something with some big performance elevators. But I don't see anyone giving him a £20m APY multi year deal.

Another way to look atthis is that Willis is obviously worse than Jordan Love, and Jordan Love is a bang average QB. So why would anyone want someone worse?

Prepare to be amazed. It's called supply and demand.

I don't have a problem giving him a 2 year 40 million dollar deal. Do I think Brissett could actually be the better QB - yes, but we will still have him, so I am ok taking a flyer. The cap implications aren't really that bad as long as we keep it to to a short deal, which we probably can if he believes in himself.

 

[Chopper0080]

Prepare to be amazed. It's called supply and demand.

I don't have a problem giving him a 2 year 40 million dollar deal. Do I think Brissett could actually be the better QB - yes, but we will still have him, so I am ok taking a flyer. The cap implications aren't really that bad as long as we keep it to to a short deal, which we probably can if he believes in himself.

Yeah...hard disagree with this.

 

[Russ Smith]

My fear is we move Kyler, keep JB and then sign, and it pains me to say this, Jimmy Garappolo. He was on a 1 year contract with the Rams last year so he should be available, LaFleur is familiary with him, and may take him on a short term deal while trying to find a QBOTF.

 

[MadCardDisease]

My fear is we move Kyler, keep JB and then sign, and it pains me to say this, Jimmy Garappolo. He was on a 1 year contract with the Rams last year so he should be available, LaFleur is familiary with him, and may take him on a short term deal while trying to find a QBOTF.

Funny my fear is the Cardinals keep Kyler.

 

[PACardsFan]

It wasn't "really, really good". They were similar to an average Kyler Murray start, maybe worse. Certain worse than peak Kyler.

What would be the point of cutting Kyler and eating a bunch of dead cap to sign worse, less experienced but younger Kyler?

There's a huge difference between spot starting with no pressure on you and being the guy week in, week out and being paid to be the guy.

Everyone has lost their damn minds. Has this fan base not had enough Kevin Kolbs? You guys would have been giving Mike White $25m in the 2023 offseason.

I think that it’s Kyler who has made it clear he wants out. Either way, Murray will be somewhere else next season. And sadly, we’ll look like fools when everything is said and done.

 

[Dback Jon]

Heard rumors that QB Carr might come out of retirement for the right situation. Would the Cardinals go that route & then draft a QB like Simpson or Beck & let them sit for a year or two? Never been a Carr fan, but he’s better than Brissett. Or is he?

I'd rather just go with Brisket in that scenario. We know he has some chemistry with Wilson. That is more than what we know about Carr.

 

[kerouac9]

Prepare to be amazed. It's called supply and demand.

I don't have a problem giving him a 2 year 40 million dollar deal. Do I think Brissett could actually be the better QB - yes, but we will still have him, so I am ok taking a flyer. The cap implications aren't really that bad as long as we keep it to to a short deal, which we probably can if he believes in himself.

I get that it’s not our money but we’re not spending $70 million on mid QBs in 2026

 

[Card'em]

Prepare to be amazed. It's called supply and demand.

I don't have a problem giving him a 2 year 40 million dollar deal. Do I think Brissett could actually be the better QB - yes, but we will still have him, so I am ok taking a flyer. The cap implications aren't really that bad as long as we keep it to to a short deal, which we probably can if he believes in himself.

The only way that I pay that money to Willis is if LaFleur's brother, Matt, vouches for him. Without the brotherly trust in Matt LaFleur's belief that Willis can be a mid starting QB, I don't pay the money to Willis. I assume that if the Cardinals are in on the bidding for Willis, then Matt has in fact counseled Mike to go for it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Funny my fear is the Cardinals keep Kyler.

I'm not saying i want to keep Kyler I'm saying I don't want to watch Jimmy checkdown at QB next year

 

[Shane]

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[BulldogCard]

I say no Maliks..this team needs a draft pick at qb; no re-treads, washed up has beens.

 

[Proximo]

I say no Maliks..this team needs a draft pick at qb; no re-treads, washed up has beens.

We can and probably should do both.

There is only one 1st round QB in this draft, and he won't be available after the 1st pick.