Takeaways from the first 5 weeks of the NFL season - Cardinals

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Everything he does that is good to great happens off schedule. I don't know how any team wins consistently with that. And he's the least clutch QB in the league.

I don't see Kyler being anything different than what he has shown, no matter where he goes. I can't think of a system that can compensate for his weaknesses.
@Chopper0080 mentioned it in another thread: teams with defensive head coaches will be attracted to him because he’s a headache to scheme around. Teams with offensive head coaches are likely to avoid him because he’s can’t play in-structure.

Some will depend on what the coaching fraternity thinks of Kliff and Petzing. But it’s bad news when Klayton Adams smears him and Brian Schottenheimer is comfortable repeating it.
 
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Also, I really hope Sellers stays another year. He needs more pass reps, but has some really nice tools. If he comes out in 2026, I think it will be a tough hill to climb.
 

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Also, I really hope Sellers stays another year. He needs more pass reps, but has some really nice tools. If he comes out in 2026, I think it will be a tough hill to climb.

What happened to Allar? Last year everyone was "Allar would go 1st if he was eligible" but everyone seems soft on him this year (I don't watch much college ball).
 

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@Chopper0080 mentioned it in another thread: teams with defensive head coaches will be attracted to him because he’s a headache to scheme around. Teams with offensive head coaches are likely to avoid him because he’s can’t play in-structure.

Some will depend on what the coaching fraternity thinks of Kliff and Petzing. But it’s bad news when Klayton Adams smears him and Brian Schottenheimer is comfortable repeating it.

Context matters. I've seen the interview with Schottenheimer and I think he was actually complimenting Kyler. He said that Klayton told him that Kyler never really wanted to run, but he was really good at it. Schottenheimer was smiling when he said that Klayton told him there were weeks when Kyler said he didn't feel like running. I don't think it was a criticism, more of a compliment to his ability to run.
 

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Yeah, they're "winning" by not having losing seasons and sneaking into the playoffs here and there, to be trounced right back out. This year has started great for them, but the fans here have been dissatisfied with the product for years. Adding another crappy QB wouldn't be the answer. I'd say they miss the playoffs with Kyler "leading" the team.
So,....you're saying kyler going to the Stiller has your full support??
 

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What happened to Allar? Last year everyone was "Allar would go 1st if he was eligible" but everyone seems soft on him this year (I don't watch much college ball).
Allar couldn't hit the broad side of a barn right now. He regressed significantly.
 

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What happened to Allar? Last year everyone was "Allar would go 1st if he was eligible" but everyone seems soft on him this year (I don't watch much college ball).
I'm a big Penn State homer and I'm out on Allar anytime before the 3rd round. I think he has all the physical tools but, at best, Franklin broke him. You know, as he usually does to QBs.
 

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So,....you're saying kyler going to the Stiller has your full support??
Oh man, I would love it. Love it! Watching the fan's transition from "We got our QBOF!" to "WTF is wrong with this dude!" and everything in between, coupled with all the juicy talk on local sports talk radio, is a delicious idea.
 

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Context matters. I've seen the interview with Schottenheimer and I think he was actually complimenting Kyler. He said that Klayton told him that Kyler never really wanted to run, but he was really good at it. Schottenheimer was smiling when he said that Klayton told him there were weeks when Kyler said he didn't feel like running. I don't think it was a criticism, more of a compliment to his ability to run.
Oh okay
 
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I'm a big Penn State homer and I'm out on Allar anytime before the 3rd round. I think he has all the physical tools but, at best, Franklin broke him. You know, as he usually does to QBs.
I think he is a guy who just needs a nice to system to develop in for a year. I like the number of snaps he has taken in college. I like how he has improved his accuracy a bit. From a raw skill set standpoint, there is stuff to work with. It's always tough to speak about players mental makeup, but I don't know of any red flags. 2nd/3rd round is a good spot for him.
 
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What happened to Allar? Last year everyone was "Allar would go 1st if he was eligible" but everyone seems soft on him this year (I don't watch much college ball).
I worry that Sellers will stay and then have a Allar type year. I am not confident in the QB coaching at South Carolina either. Maybe we will get lucky and Sellers will transfer to LSU.
 

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I think his accuracy is has developed to ok. He still needs work but I don't know how much high level QB coaching he is getting at PSU.
I've watched 3 games of his so far this year, and the amount of wide open guys he's missing is alarming. His physical tools are insane, which is the main reason he'd be drafted right now. Coaching is obviously an issue.
 
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It's a highlight video but it will give peeps an idea of what Hoover does.
 

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What happened to Allar? Last year everyone was "Allar would go 1st if he was eligible" but everyone seems soft on him this year (I don't watch much college ball).
Unfortunately for Allar his HC is James Franklin. At any other college Allar would probably be a no brainer first pick top QB in 2026. Allar has all the physical tools and has shown to be capable on the mental side of the game, however Franklin has messed up his head big time. I think Allar is so afraid to make mistakes due to Franklin being inside his head, I'm not sure Allar will be able to overcome that. Franklin did the same thing to Christian Hackenberg.

I'm sure some NFL team will look at Allar and take a chance on him hoping they can wash the stink of Franklin off of him and and if they can be successful in doing that, then they will end up with one very good QB.
 

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I think he is a guy who just needs a nice to system to develop in for a year. I like the number of snaps he has taken in college. I like how he has improved his accuracy a bit. From a raw skill set standpoint, there is stuff to work with. It's always tough to speak about players mental makeup, but I don't know of any red flags. 2nd/3rd round is a good spot for him.
Yes, he has the raw skills only. The accuracy problems haven't changed. Problem is, you have to undo the coaching he's gotten extensively before anything else. I think the 2nd would be too soon, especially as we'll have a high 2nd. 3rd round? Sure, roll the dice.
 

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It's a highlight video but it will give peeps an idea of what Hoover does.

He has a quick release and good arm strength. Nice touch too.
 

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Going to take much more than 1 great year from Dante Moore to get the stink of that UCLA year off for me. UCLA basketball fan not really a football fan but Moore was a big deal for both. NIL was just becoming a thing and UCLA had a collective like many of the big schools were doing but they had just started doig it because of concerns it violated the rules. When They got heavily involved with Moore it became very apparent his entire recruitment was about money so UCLA football took the collective that basketball had set up and "tapped into it" because they knew lots of UCLA fans were fans of both sports. It became a huge deal pushing UCLA hoops fans to donate to help football etc.

Then the kid got the job and frankly was terrible, his stats don't show how overrated he was, no accuracy, turnover prone, afraid to run he was awful. After the year he transferred.

There's lots of UCLA hoops fans who feel the same way UCLA got caught out that year in hoops recruiting they started the collective late and then cannibalized it to get money to get Moore and they wound up taking a bunch of Euro recruits that year for basketball because they got priced out. So he not only messed up the football season, he messed up the basketball recruiting that cycle too. and then bolted to oregon.

Having a nice year and he certainly looks the part good size, athletic but he was so bad at UCLA it'll take more than one good year at Oregon to convince me
 
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Going to take much more than 1 great year from Dante Moore to get the stink of that UCLA year off for me. UCLA basketball fan not really a football fan but Moore was a big deal for both. NIL was just becoming a thing and UCLA had a collective like many of the big schools were doing but they had just started doig it because of concerns it violated the rules. When They got heavily involved with Moore it became very apparent his entire recruitment was about money so UCLA football took the collective that basketball had set up and "tapped into it" because they knew lots of UCLA fans were fans of both sports. It became a huge deal pushing UCLA hoops fans to donate to help football etc.

Then the kid got the job and frankly was terrible, his stats don't show how overrated he was, no accuracy, turnover prone, afraid to run he was awful. After the year he transferred.

There's lots of UCLA hoops fans who feel the same way UCLA got caught out that year in hoops recruiting they started the collective late and then cannibalized it to get money to get Moore and they wound up taking a bunch of Euro recruits that year for basketball because they got priced out. So he not only messed up the football season, he messed up the basketball recruiting that cycle too. and then bolted to oregon.

Having a nice year and he certainly looks the part good size, athletic but he was so bad at UCLA it'll take more than one good year at Oregon to convince me
I am hesitant on any college QB who has less than 700 career snaps. Good tools and obviously he was highly recruited but I need to see more in terms of reps.
 
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He has a quick release and good arm strength. Nice touch too.
I also like that he will stand and take some shots to deliver the ball. Also I like that he runs the sneak. I do need to dig a little deeper on the sacks he takes. I know Hoover isn't rated highly yet, but I expect him to be a 1st/2nd round guy when it is all said and done.
 
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Yes, he has the raw skills only. The accuracy problems haven't changed. Problem is, you have to undo the coaching he's gotten extensively before anything else. I think the 2nd would be too soon, especially as we'll have a high 2nd. 3rd round? Sure, roll the dice.
He is a great guy to draft behind a Mac Jones, Sam Darnold type QB because you need a couple years to see if he can get it, and you certainly don't want to rush it. Could benefit from the Jordan Love growth plan. QBs normally require a premium so I don't mind round 2 at this point in time.
 

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Saw an ESPN piece where they said Dante is incredibly thankful for the opportunity he's been given. Grew up in a bad Detriot area and used to enjoy walking around the UCLA campus something that he could not do in his unsafe childhood neighborhood.
I am anxious to see him against Indiana.
 
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