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That wasn't magic. That was CP3, who brought every team he ever went to together.

What do you think Chris Paul came to Phoenix? Here it from Chris Paul himself… Devin Booker.

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Why do you think Chris Paul came to Phoenix? Here it from Chris Paul himself… Devin Booker.

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you completely missed the point. we don't have a CP3 to bring this team together. and without him, Booker never brought any team together, before or after without a strong PG.

are you saying Booker can be the piece that magically brings this current roster together?
 
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you completely missed the point. we don't have a CP3 to bring this team together. and without him, Booker never brought any team together.

I didn't miss any point. The primary reason Chris Paul came to Phoenix was Devin Booker.
 

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there's dudes that can't shoot all over the nba - specially centers - oso does his offense close to the basket and that's fine with me specially if maluach is crashing the board or posted up for the 3

oso's jumpshot is barkley's golf swing - it's not happening - oso also can't physically box out the big dogs - but oso can play the tall tough and gun we're seeing the league morph into

I think Oso sucks and will be gone this season if the new comers show out and we keep Richards (which is what i've been begging the team to do). He's a fp with now range or a center out is too small. If not he'll be done after this season, stinks because he is a local talent but that's not a reason to keep him.
 
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and... that isn't in question, so... nevermind.

So what's the big reason Chris Paul comes to Phoenix? The Chris Paul effect never happens without Booker.

Which came first in Phoenix, Chris Paul or Devin Booker…
 

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So what's the big reason Chris Paul comes to Phoenix? The Chris Paul effect never happens without Booker.
sigh... I ALREADY AGREED THAT PAUL CAME BECAUSE OF BOOKER.
Which came first in Phoenix, Chris Paul or Devin Booker…
Booker came first. But winning only came when CP3 came to the team and brought them all together. That wasn't magic.

And when CP3 fell off a cliff/left the team, the team fell apart, despite still having Booker. So again, what you call "magic" I call CP3, and I credit him with that because he brought "magic" to every team he ever played on together. Booker has never shown he can be the centerpiece that brings a roster together, thus I don't expect "magic" to happen this year, that makes us winners with a mishmash roster like this.
 
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sigh... I ALREADY AGREED THAT PAUL CAME BECAUSE OF BOOKER.

Booker came first. But winning only came when CP3 came to the team and brought them all together. That wasn't magic.

And when CP3 fell off a cliff/left the team, the team fell apart, despite still having Booker. So again, what you call "magic" I call CP3, and I credit him with that because he brought "magic" to every team he ever played on together. Booker has never shown he can be the centerpiece that brings a roster together, thus I don't expect "magic" to happen this year, with this roster, that makes us winners.

When you quote me, try to get it right and not slant it:

"Sometimes it comes together almost magically with the right mix of players."
 

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Love it, however, it raises more questions about why Brea didn't get a guaranteed deal.

I don't think the question is as complex as we are making it out to be. Flemming is almost a first-round pick with more potential, and plays the position the Suns need. Brea is a lower- ceiling guy from the later second-round, and he plays the position that is already loaded. It makes sense to put him on a two-way contract to keep a roster spot open. They can always convert him to a full contract later on.
 
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I don't think the question is as complex as we are making it out to be. Flemming is almost a first-round pick with more potential, and plays the position the Suns need. Brea is a lower- ceiling guy from the later second-round, and he plays the position that is already loaded. It makes sense to put him on a two-way contract to keep a roster spot open. They can always convert him to a full contract later on.

My thinking, why move up to #41 if there is unlikely to be a starter there.

This is not to say Brea may not turn out to be a great selection, but my thought is the Suns might be hoping someone else would be there. Maybe it all works out for the best.

I, too, thought Fleming was a first round pick.
 

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My thinking, why move up to #41 if there is unlikely to be a starter there.
It's #41. How many players at #41 are starters out of the gate? What percentage of that pick? I'm guessing less than .5%?

I don't think drafting at #41 should hinge on whether you or not can find a starter there. And if it isn't going to be a starter and you still have some gaps on your team, why not make it a 2-way? You don't draft in the 2nd round for starters out of the gate. Kind of a bizarre sentence.
 

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Would you go to a Suns game because we got TJ Warren back?
My post had nothing to do with how attractive he was to the team. I was just stating a fact since it was mentioned that Royce had a history in Utah but not for Grayson.
 
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It's #41. How many players at #41 are starters out of the gate? What percentage of that pick? I'm guessing less than .5%?

I don't think drafting at #41 should hinge on whether you or not can find a starter there. And if it isn't going to be a starter and you still have some gaps on your team, why not make it a 2-way? You don't draft in the 2nd round for starters out of the gate. Kind of a bizarre sentence.

From my perspective, some good players were slipping in the draft and the Suns hoped they could nab another one if they moved up to #41. This is by no means a knock on Brea.

However, I think the Suns would have jumped on the chance to draft Kam Jones or Adou Thiero if they were there and guaranteed them to a standard contract as well.
 

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Sometimes it comes together almost magically with the right mix of players.

Look back at that Finals team when the Suns added Jae Crowder and Chris Paul.

you completely missed the point. we don't have a CP3 to bring this team together. and without him, Booker never brought any team together, before or after without a strong PG.

are you saying Booker can be the piece that magically brings this current roster together?

sigh... I ALREADY AGREED THAT PAUL CAME BECAUSE OF BOOKER.

Booker came first. But winning only came when CP3 came to the team and brought them all together. That wasn't magic.

And when CP3 fell off a cliff/left the team, the team fell apart, despite still having Booker. So again, what you call "magic" I call CP3, and I credit him with that because he brought "magic" to every team he ever played on together. Booker has never shown he can be the centerpiece that brings a roster together, thus I don't expect "magic" to happen this year, that makes us winners with a mishmash roster like this.

I understand what he's saying. I just disagree with it.

Sounds like you are agreeing.
 

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My thinking, why move up to #41 if there is unlikely to be a starter there.

This is not to say Brea may not turn out to be a great selection, but my thought is the Suns might be hoping someone else would be there. Maybe it all works out for the best.

I, too, thought Fleming was a first round pick.

I think Flemming being a second rounder saves us a little bit in signing him, if he were a first rounder doesn't that automatically qualify him for a larger contract?

Brea is such a deep 2nd rounder, 2 way makes sense for now. His defense is suspect and we have shooters for now, and could always upgrade if the chances comes to move Allen or Oneal.
 
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I think Flemming being a second rounder saves us a little bit in signing him, if he were a first rounder doesn't that automatically qualify him for a larger contract?

Brea is such a deep 2nd rounder, 2 way makes sense for now. His defense is suspect and we have shooters for now, and could always upgrade if the chances comes to move Allen or Oneal.

Yeah, this is my recollection. The earlier the pick, the higher the salary. I don't think second round picks are guaranteed.
 
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