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Is it usually released when someone admits causing their own accident?
It's usually released out of pure transparency. You know - a police department reassuring the public that all things happened just as they said and everything was handled properly.
 

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Tony Romo is innocent until proven guilty in his DUI/OWI arrest.

That police department already released bodycam footage of that stop.

Kyle Shanahan was not cited in the accident he claims to have caused.

That police department is refusing to release the 911 call and the bodycam footage.
 
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Is it usually released when someone admits causing their own accident?

The media asked for it and the police refused.

My guess is he wasn't driving, it was in FSD, and he's concerned because under California law that makes him completely liable. The girl in the other car was injured too, so he doesn't want to be personally liable if she were to sue since his insuarance would not cover it.

Or same situation and a certain car company doesn't want it known that their self driving car caused an accident.

The someone else was in the car seems unlikely because there were witnesses we'd know by now there was another person in his car IMO
 
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It's usually released out of pure transparency. You know - a police department reassuring the public that all things happened just as they said and everything was handled properly.

Especially after they blamed the wrong person initially
 

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So no. It’s not required or expected if someone admits to causing their own accident.
He was not found at fault regardless of his verbal timeline of how the accident allegedly happened. Additional details might come to light if the 911 call or the bodycam footage were to be released. They usually are released in high profile accidents/crashes like this.
 

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@Russ Smith not really sure what you’re implying here reference witnesses in saying the vehicle was automated driving. How would a witness know that? How do you tell a car was driving in automated mode as opposed to being under control of the human occupant?? I see Teslas on the road all the time I can’t tell if they’re being self driven or automated… what’s the cue that allows an ordinary citizen to be able to tell?
 

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The media asked for it and the police refused.

My guess is he wasn't driving, it was in FSD, and he's concerned because under California law that makes him completely liable. The girl in the other car was injured too, so he doesn't want to be personally liable if she were to sue since his insuarance would not cover it.

Or same situation and a certain car company doesn't want it known that their self driving car caused an accident.

The someone else was in the car seems unlikely because there were witnesses we'd know by now there was another person in his car IMO
Kyle Shanahan can afford whatever financial cost he'd be liable for, so why the need to sweep the truth under a rug?
 

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Same police department refused to cite Elon Musk years ago for filming himself with his cell phone while his Tesla was self-driving through their area - because no police officer witnessed him filming himself while driving, despite the video evidence he posted online of himself doing just that.
 

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Same police department refused to cite Elon Musk years ago for filming himself with his cell phone while his Tesla was self-driving through their area - because no police officer witnessed him filming himself while driving, despite the video evidence he posted online of himself doing just that.
Video evidence is irrelevant. It’s a misdemeanor not committed in your presence. The law doesn’t allow you to cite them. At least in the state of NV. Pretty sure Cali is the same.
 
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@Russ Smith not really sure what you’re implying here reference witnesses in saying the vehicle was automated driving. How would a witness know that? How do you tell a car was driving in automated mode as opposed to being under control of the human occupant?? I see Teslas on the road all the time I can’t tell if they’re being self driven or automated… what’s the cue that allows an ordinary citizen to be able to tell?

So assume Shanahan is telling the truth.He was ducking down looking for his phone when the crash happened. So anybody seeing it would have seen a car where the driver was not visible until the very end when he says he raised up and got hit by the air bag. So anybody watching could have logically assmed he wasn't driving since they didn't see him holding the steering wheel since he was getting his phone.

Now assume he wasn't driving at all and was in FSD, and went down to get his phone, they're going to see the exact same thing.

So the people who said they thought the car was self driving are basically just saying nobody was steering.

My guess is someone is concerned about the liabilty, either Shanahan because if it was in FSD and he wasn't paying attention he's legally and financially responsible, if she sues ,she'll win. Or the car company doesn't want to be blamed for FSD causing an accident so they don't want it released.

There's huge topic s on this on 49er boards they keep coming across my FB feed most of them are saying witnesses said the car was driving itself when the accident happened
 
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Just one story explaining why people think this is weird. this doesn't go into the Tesla angle jsut the idea people may be covering for Shanahan.

If you look at like 49er webzone there's a huge Shanahan thread and the last several pages are all about this. Lots of them are real clear they don't believe the official story, nobody who lives there does the question is who are they protecting?

This story says the other person wasn't injured, there's multiple articles that say she was, minor but she was has been reported.
 

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Just one story explaining why people think this is weird. this doesn't go into the Tesla angle jsut the idea people may be covering for Shanahan.

If you look at like 49er webzone there's a huge Shanahan thread and the last several pages are all about this. Lots of them are real clear they don't believe the official story, nobody who lives there does the question is who are they protecting?

This story says the other person wasn't injured, there's multiple articles that say she was, minor but she was has been reported.

Wait. Random people on the internet speculating about a conspiracy theory??? Say it ain't so!
 
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Wait. Random people on the internet speculating about a conspiracy theory??? Say it ain't so!

It's because as the story said it makes no sense it took them 11 days to even mention he'd been in an accident. In the story Tim Kawakami, a longtime bay area sports reporter, admits he knew before it came out but he said he didn't have enough info to report it. It's just unusual in a day and age when we know minutes later on everything, that they waited 11 days to release this and then the release was wrong, they blamed the victim not Shanahan.
 

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The original reports said bystanders said the car was self driving, he says it wasn't. So yeah either he's telling the truth and then the coverup makes no sense, or someone else was driving or in the car but that would have come out by now there were witnesses to the accident.
So again my guess is he was not driving the car and doesn't want to admit that.
I mean, the accident wasn't even made public for 11 days. That's easily enough time to contact everyone involved to get stories straight and make bank deposits.
 

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Tony Romo is innocent until proven guilty in his DUI/OWI arrest.

That police department already released bodycam footage of that stop.

Kyle Shanahan was not cited in the accident he claims to have caused.

That police department is refusing to release the 911 call and the bodycam footage.
Some animals are more equal than others.

NFL golden boy Shanahan will continue to be propped up as the next up and coming coach no matter the issue.
 

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The original reports said bystanders said the car was self driving, he says it wasn't. So yeah either he's telling the truth and then the coverup makes no sense, or someone else was driving or in the car but that would have come out by now there were witnesses to the accident.
So again my guess is he was not driving the car and doesn't want to admit that.
pretty sure there are some fairly strict laws in place at the moment in regards to allowing your car to drive on its own.

wow...it even feels wrong just typing that out, lol
 

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Especially after they blamed the wrong person initially
They wrote in an official police document that it was the other drivers fault.

The whole thing stinks and the fact Shanahan can call selective members of the media in a closed door meeting and jjust brush it off is mafia like.
 

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It's because as the story said it makes no sense it took them 11 days to even mention he'd been in an accident. In the story Tim Kawakami, a longtime bay area sports reporter, admits he knew before it came out but he said he didn't have enough info to report it. It's just unusual in a day and age when we know minutes later on everything, that they waited 11 days to release this and then the release was wrong, they blamed the victim not Shanahan.
Grade A ********.
 
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I mean, the accident wasn't even made public for 11 days. That's easily enough time to contact everyone involved to get stories straight and make bank deposits.

They didn't even get the story straight they waited 11 days and then released the report that said the girl was to blame not Shanahan. Then he did the right thing and went public no it wasn't her fault it was mine.
 
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pretty sure there are some fairly strict laws in place at the moment in regards to allowing your car to drive on its own.

wow...it even feels wrong just typing that out, lol

That's my point, if he was in FSD and wasn't paying attention, it opens up a whole new kettle of fish for him because of Califonia law.
 
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