Suns Off Season Changes for 2025-26

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
97,730
Reaction score
82,882
Right. The only reason I would start Brooks is if I believed that he would contribute to the development of Dunn, Rasheer, Khaman, or Green in that role. And I really just don't see it right now. I do think having Brooks on this team is not a bad thing if he brings that competitive nasty that has always been part of his game. If he is unhappy on a rebuilding team, he needs to go.
agree with all of the above.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
On the Suns summer league roster, Dunn is listed at 6'8", 220 pounds. It's not inconceivable he could start at power forward.
The Dunn that played last year got out muscled on a regular basis. Unless his body has changed a lot he cannot play power forward.
 

JCSunsfan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 24, 2002
Posts
22,834
Reaction score
7,496
if fans get their wish to turn Dunn into a PF instead of making him into a killer SF, I really hope we don't complaints from the same people about rebounding/defense when we shift our perfectly sized SF out of position to make him an undersized PF.
Does he have the footspeed and agility, as well as the shot to be a SF all the time?
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
we can really do anything because next year is all about developing young players. so there's no point in starting Brooks at SF and having our ONE promising young guy not getting the most minutes possible.

that said, I'll be shocked if Nigel or Fleming start. Those guys have done nothing to deserve a starting spot and are gonna be raw AF.
Nigel has been one of the best players in Europe the last 3 years. Yubesele had no problem contributing for the 6er's last year.

It's not like he has much to beat out on our roster. One thing I am pretty sure he can do better than any of our other forwards is stand in the corner and hit 3's.
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
Right. The only reason I would start Brooks is if I believed that he would contribute to the development of Dunn, Rasheer, Khaman, or Green in that role. And I really just don't see it right now. I do think having Brooks on this team is not a bad thing if he brings that competitive nasty that has always been part of his game. If he is unhappy on a rebuilding team, he needs to go.

I think Dillon Brooks starts. He started last season for the Grizzlies and the Suns need his grit.

This leaves a dilemma at power forward, unless we want to do away with labels.

With a big center, the Suns could start bookend forwards. I think Dunn could contribute there. How much I don't know.

It's all conjecture anyway at this point.
 

BooksOrangePlanet

I was BirdGangThing
Supporting Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2019
Posts
39,874
Reaction score
44,935
Location
Arcadia
dunn isn't a power forward and oso isn't a center

if we wanna get it let's get it with the summer league - run dunn at sf - oso at pf and maluach at center but have maluach play outside in - oso has no business shooting 3s or even js and we don't need him to
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
I think Dillon Brooks starts. He started last season for the Grizzlies and the Suns need his grit.

This leaves a dilemma at power forward, unless we want to do away with labels.

With a big center, the Suns could start bookend forwards.

It's all conjecture anyway at this point.
It is just conjecture.

Ott might have very clear parameters on what he wants from his lineups and none of us have any idea of that since he has never been a head coach before.

I don't really understand what the Suns are doing. Do they want some older veterans still on the team like Grayson, Brooks, and Royce - or would they rather they be gone but can't find a way to trade them.

I can't figure out whether they still believe we are competing for a playoff spot this year, or rebuilding and want to focus on player development of young guys. I guess we will all find out eventually.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
dunn isn't a power forward and oso isn't a center

if we wanna get it let's get it with the summer league - run dunn at sf - oso at pf and maluach at center but have maluach play outside in - oso has no business shooting 3s or even js and we don't need him to
Oso isn't a center, but he sure as heck isn't a modern power forward either.

I would argue he is closer to being a center. Bottom line is until he gets some kind of a jumpshot he's really not an NBA player.
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
It is just conjecture.

Ott might have very clear parameters on what he wants from his lineups and none of us have any idea of that since he has never been a head coach before.

I don't really understand what the Suns are doing. Do they want some older veterans still on the team like Grayson, Brooks, and Royce - or would they rather they be gone but can't find a way to trade them.

I can't figure out whether they still believe we are competing for a playoff spot this year, or rebuilding and want to focus on player development of young guys. I guess we will all find out eventually.

I think it's both. The Suns want to compete and develop the youngsters at the same time.

My guess is Allen is on his way out if the Suns find a taker. The same with O'Neale, but I'm more neutral on him.

The Suns can start a veteran lineup in Mark Williams, Dillon Brooks, Ryan Dunn, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. And that's not counting the newcomers and potential trades.

I think we are going to see a lot of the draft picks coming off the bench to start the season until it all shakes out.
 

BooksOrangePlanet

I was BirdGangThing
Supporting Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2019
Posts
39,874
Reaction score
44,935
Location
Arcadia
Oso isn't a center, but he sure as heck isn't a modern power forward either.

I would argue he is closer to being a center. Bottom line is until he gets some kind of a jumpshot he's really not an NBA player.
there's dudes that can't shoot all over the nba - specially centers - oso does his offense close to the basket and that's fine with me specially if maluach is crashing the board or posted up for the 3

oso's jumpshot is barkley's golf swing - it's not happening - oso also can't physically box out the big dogs - but oso can play the tall tough and gun we're seeing the league morph into
 

JerkFace

(Formerly offset) i have a special purpose
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
4,032
Reaction score
2,935
Location
Surprise
xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

Two-Way deal… Interesting.
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

Two-Way deal… Interesting.

I wonder if someone wasn't there at #41 the Suns wanted like Adou Thiero or Kam Jones.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
I think it's both. The Suns want to compete and develop the youngsters at the same time.

My guess is Allen is on his way out if the Suns find a taker. The same with O'Neale, but I'm more neutral on him.

The Suns can start a veteran lineup in Mark Williams, Dillon Brooks, Ryan Dunn, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. And that's not counting the newcomers and potential trades.

I think we are going to see a lot of the draft picks coming off the bench to start the season until it all shakes out.
Both is a mistake. Really I think anything other than full on development of our young players is a mistake. I can understand playing the veterans to a degree if we cant get rid of them, but to intentionally do it would tell me the front office is still in complete denial of where this team is at, and that will lead to more bad decisions and extending the amount of time we suck.
 

leclerc

The smooth operator
Joined
Jun 28, 2008
Posts
3,215
Reaction score
2,227
Location
Norway
Brooks and Dunn can compete for the SF spot. Coaches should decide who gets the start. The important thing is that Dunn gets major minutes.

If we do not have better alternatives at PF than Brooks (yew) I guess we could try with him there. We did play PJ Tucker at PF, didn't we?
 

BooksOrangePlanet

I was BirdGangThing
Supporting Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2019
Posts
39,874
Reaction score
44,935
Location
Arcadia
point book would allow us to play brooks dunn and a power forward and a center - i think we'll be seeing that line up at times
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
Both is a mistake. Really I think anything other than full on development of our young players is a mistake. I can understand playing the veterans to a degree if we cant get rid of them, but to intentionally do it would tell me the front office is still in complete denial of where this team is at, and that will lead to more bad decisions and extending the amount of time we suck.

There is no guarantee that the young players are ready or the answer. See Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss.

Since the Suns are intent on keeping Devin Booker and have added Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks, why not try to compete.

Not every team is going to end up like OKC.

And the last star the Suns drafted was Devin Booker.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
There is no guarantee that the young players are ready or the answer. See Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss.

Since the Suns are intent on keeping Devin Booker and have added Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks, why not try to compete.

Not every team is going to end up like OKC.

And the last star the Suns drafted was Devin Booker.
You are right there is no guarentee the young players will be the answer. But you know what definitely isn't the answer - playing a bunch of journeyman and expecting a good result.

At least if you give the young guys a bunch of time, you will find out sooner if they are or are not the answer.
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
If the Suns buyout Beal, they could have two roster spots open and trades are always an option.

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media
 
OP
OP
Mainstreet

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
133,610
Reaction score
73,906
You are right there is no guarentee the young players will be the answer. But you know what definitely isn't the answer - playing a bunch of journeyman and expecting a good result.

At least if you give the young guys a bunch of time, you will find out sooner if they are or are not the answer.

Sometimes it comes together almost magically with the right mix of players.

Look back at that Finals team when the Suns added Jae Crowder and Chris Paul.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
97,730
Reaction score
82,882
Sometimes it comes together almost magically with the right mix of players.

Look back at that Finals team when the Suns added Jae Crowder and Chris Paul.
That wasn't magic. That was CP3, who brought together every team he ever went to in his first year.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
14,972
Reaction score
13,039
Sometimes it comes together almost magically with the right mix of players.

Look back at that Finals team when the Suns added Jae Crowder and Chris Paul.
They were added to Mikal, Cam, Ayton and Booker.

We are adding to Booker and Jalen Green?

Sorry, this team is weak and no mid level player is making us competitive this year.
 
Top