Should We Trade Michael Wilson??

[cardcrazy]

It's really easy to say. So what are you doing next year?


The seasons over. We go 5-12. We're picking 6th. Cards had a running game again so we don't throw it 45x a game, and MHJ and Trey were healthy. So Mike has a respectable 900 yards. The market is set at $28-30m and he's FA. The transition tag is $27m. We really wish we had some more draft capital to move up into the top 2 to get a QB but we let that ship sail. But hey, you got to watch Mike get 900 yards in a losing season before he left.

So, what exactly is your plan next year?

Pick a QB at #6

 

[DVontel]

Pittman was already on a fat deal and is 29 this year, he also only has one year left on that deal. The last 2 years he's had 808 and 784 yards despite playing practically every game. He's declining.

Mike is ascending. You would get the equivalent of a mid to late 2nd in pick value.

I’m genuinely curious what your reaction would be if Wilson out produces Marv in another offense.

 

[cardcrazy]

If he continues his ascent, slap the tag on him at 30 mil?…a no brainer.

 

[BritCard]

IMO, you are looking at this backwards.

Over the past two seasons Michael Wilson has been more productive (1554 yards vs 1493 yards) and played in more games 33 vs 29. Right now, Wilson has been the better WR. Pay him. If MHJ grows and plays well...then you pay him as well but that is a decision a year from now.

And there is no reason to cry about money because the Cardinals don't have many long term contracts they are having to work around. It's pretty much Sweat and McBride.

Ok, so just to be clear your saying you are happy to keep Mike this year and pay him around $30m to extend him? Given the current situation of the team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Pittman was already on a fat deal and is 29 this year, he also only has one year left on that deal. The last 2 years he's had 808 and 784 yards despite playing practically every game. He's declining.

Mike is ascending. You would get the equivalent of a mid to late 2nd in pick value.

keep dreaming about a 2nd round pick. Never happening, especially in 2027 draft. If someone offered a #2 for Wilson, he'd be traded by now.

Plus, like many times, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand, he's #3 option and very replaceable. On the other, he's an ascending star worthy of a 2nd round pick.
Which is it?

 

[BritCard]

Pick a QB at #6

Any top QB is gone by 6. At 6 you get a guy that teams are not sure about.

 

[Stout]

It's really easy to say. So what are you doing next year?


The seasons over. We go 5-12. We're picking 6th. Cards had a running game again so we don't throw it 45x a game, and MHJ and Trey were healthy. So Mike has a respectable 900 yards. The market is set at $28-30m and he's FA. The transition tag is $27m. We really wish we had some more draft capital to move up into the top 2 to get a QB but we let that ship sail. But hey, you got to watch Mike get 900 yards in a losing season before he left.

So, what exactly is your plan next year?

Next year is next year.

 

[kerouac9]

I just want to congratulate MHJ on the 900 receiving yard season he almost had.

That’s far more impressive than the 1000 yard season Michael Wilson actually had after accumulating just 42 yards over the first five games of the season.

 

[kerouac9]

Any top QB is gone by 6. At 6 you get a guy that teams are not sure about.

Man hard to believe Patrick Mahomes was available at #10 overall.

 

[BritCard]

I’m genuinely curious what your reaction would be if Wilson out produces Marv in another offense.

Why? I love Mike and always have. It's not really about production as I would expect Mike to have greater production at the Patriots or Chiefs than Marv here with JB.

The Cards are all in on Marv. They drafted a "generational receiver" at #4 overall and you can bet they are all in on making sure they get everything they can out of him. He's always going to be above Mike in targets, as if Trey. I expect that even more so with MLF as I'm sure one of the reasons he was brought in was to maximise his talents.

As much as I love Mike it's certain he's going to be #3 in targets so that's what you have to work with. Do you want to pay that guy $30m?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Man hard to believe Patrick Mahomes was available at #10 overall.

And Tom Brady went in the 6th round...and Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant...and Kurt Warner was undrafted...

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Why? I love Mike and always have. It's not really about production as I would expect Mike to have greater production at the Patriots or Chiefs than Marv here with JB.

The Cards are all in on Marv. They drafted a "generational receiver" at #4 overall and you can bet they are all in on making sure they get everything they can out of him. He's always going to be above Mike in targets, as if Trey. I expect that even more so with MLF as I'm sure one of the reasons he was brought in was to maximise his talents.

As much as I love Mike it's certain he's going to be #3 in targets so that's what you have to work with. Do you want to pay that guy $30m?

Generational receiver? Maybe after 7 meh years we can just cut him like we did our generational QB?

 

[Proximo]

Man hard to believe Patrick Mahomes was available at #10 overall.

Josh Allen was the 7th pick.
Lamar was the 15th pick.
Justin Herbert was the 6th pick

 

[BritCard]

Man hard to believe Patrick Mahomes was available at #10 overall.

I mean, I think I covered that already.

Outliers are not the rule and I guarantee you if we pick at 6 next year you'll be moaning your ass off we're missing out on the top guys.

 

[BritCard]

I just want to congratulate MHJ on the 900 receiving yard season he almost had.

That’s far more impressive than the 1000 yard season Michael Wilson actually had after accumulating just 42 yards over the first five games of the season.

I mean, it's irrelevant, because Mike is always going to be the #3 option. He just is. You can wishcast or you can deal in facts.

If you think Monti didn't hire Mike partly to get Marv going as he should I don't know what to tell you. A lot of reputations rely on Marv reaching his potential, including what little reputation the org still has frankly.

 

[BritCard]

Josh Allen was the 7th pick.
Lamar was the 15th pick.
Justin Herbert was the 6th pick

I mean, I'm pretty sure I said QB's that teams are not sure about, and Lamar went 31st.

Now do all the QB's that went 6-32 in league history that were busts, because I'm sure if I look I will find the bust rate far higher than picks 1-3.

 

[BritCard]

Next year is next year.

What a freakin' cop out. Talk is cheap I guess.

You'll be the first one here next year bitching that either

a) He walks and we got nothing for him or,
b) We paid him $30m per to be #3.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I mean, I think I covered that already.

Outliers are not the rule and I guarantee you if we pick at 6 next year you'll be moaning your ass off we're missing out on the top guys.

Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, would like to say hello.
Just because you "covered it" doesn't mean it's right. It's been a few minutes, and you've been given many examples. That's not what an outlier is.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I said QB's that teams are not sure about, and Lamar went 31st.

Now do all the QB's that went 6-32 in league history that were busts, because I'm sure if I look I will find the bust rate far higher than picks 1-3.

I can't wait to get in the top 5 next year to draft the next Akili Smith, David Klingler, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, or Ryan Leaf. I'm guessing Joey Harrington is mad I left him out.

 

[kerouac9]

I mean, it's irrelevant, because Mike is always going to be the #3 option. He just is. You can wishcast or you can deal in facts.

If you think Monti didn't hire Mike partly to get Marv going as he should I don't know what to tell you. A lot of reputations rely on Marv reaching his potential, including what little reputation the org still has frankly.

Not if MHJ is mediocre and Mike outplays him again.

Forcing targets on MHJ while there was a 1000 receiver on the roster is one of the things that got the previous coaching staff fired.

I expect a more balanced distribution of targets next season, but MHJ is the guy who’s consistently shown he can’t produce with efficiency.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ok, so just to be clear your saying you are happy to keep Mike this year and pay him around $30m to extend him? Given the current situation of the team.

If that is his market value, yes. Terry McLaurin makes 29 mil and I don't see a huge difference between the two. I would rather gamble on talent at impact positions than not have talent. As someone who was critical of Kyler, I would think you could appreciate when a WR blossoms playing with a different style of QB than Murray.

There is this false sense that you can plan when you will be competitive. It has been proven that you can't. Better off just trying to win every year and every game. I don't think signing Wilson would cost 30 mil per year, but there is no reason to flinch at it with the current state of the roster.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not if MHJ is mediocre and Mike outplays him again.

Forcing targets on MHJ while there was a 1000 receiver on the roster is one of the things that got the previous coaching staff fired.

I expect a more balanced distribution of targets next season, but MHJ is the guy who’s consistently shown he can’t produce with efficiency.

and I have pointed this out before, but the player most likely to naturally see their role reduce is McBride. A decent offense can survive spreading targets and catches between three players.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No, keep him.

 

[oaken1]

IMO, you are looking at this backwards.

Over the past two seasons Michael Wilson has been more productive (1554 yards vs 1493 yards) and played in more games 33 vs 29. Right now, Wilson has been the better WR. Pay him. If MHJ grows and plays well...then you pay him as well but that is a decision a year from now.

And there is no reason to cry about money because the Cardinals don't have many long term contracts they are having to work around. It's pretty much Sweat and McBride.

right?? Pay the kid now and it helps keep the price down...Marv isnt due until next year at the very soonest...we can pay them both if it works out that way and still get a rookie QB and some linemen

 

[oaken1]

If that is his market value, yes. Terry McLaurin makes 29 mil and I don't see a huge difference between the two. I would rather gamble on talent at impact positions than not have talent. As someone who was critical of Kyler, I would think you could appreciate when a WR blossoms playing with a different style of QB than Murray.

There is this false sense that you can plan when you will be competitive. It has been proven that you can't. Better off just trying to win every year and every game. I don't think signing Wilson would cost 30 mil per year, but there is no reason to flinch at it with the current state of the roster.

Not to mention the cap has gone up 50% in the past 5 years...so salaries will follow suite.....an elite WR was getting a bit over 20m a year back in 2020 iirc, about 22...so 30m wouldnt even be elite level pay right now...just "Really Good"...we are fortunate that our "Really BIG John" is a TE since they are on a different pay scale. It allows us to pay a couple WR's fairly well if we have a rookie QB.
I cant see us getting in the Q vs Fitz situation again,...when neither of these guys have shown to be either Q or Fitz level.

I dunno...is 18-20% of your cap too much to tie up in 2 WR's?? I would be okay with it so long as there is a plan at QB... but we would need to draft "Lucky" for the defense....didnt say "good"...with Monti at GM I didnt wanna trigger you bro, lol.