Should We Trade Michael Wilson??

[Syracusecards]

Don’t get me wrong, I loved MW’s performance last year, but that year is going to cost us a fortune if we want to re-sign him. if we can trade him for a second or third round pick this year, I think we should do it immediately. We are not going to the playoffs next year. paying wide receivers a lot of money does not make a lot of sense these days. Look at the Cincinnati Bengals. They paid their wide receivers and they are a disaster. strike while the iron is hot and get as much as you can for draft picks.

 

[HairZach]

Great WRs rarely make it to free agency, if you find one the best move is to sign them. If MHJ continues playing poorly Michael Wilson will be this team's saving grace. The contract numbers look all look huge because the cap has gone up 50% since 2022.

I think Monti should extend him this year to get a relative discount.

Every team is spending a lot on WR, thats just what they cost. You bring up the Bengals with their two elite WRs, but the Eagles spent just as much on Devonta Smith and AJ Brown when they won their superbowl.

 

[slanidrac16]

I am so sick off hearing this crap.
The Vikings just found a way to extend Jefferson…. JEFFERSON!
And we are supposed to worry how we are going to afford Wilson.
Egads.

 

[Syracusecards]

Soft shell coverage has made most wide receivers average. it’s not their fault, it’s just that most offenses aren’t throwing deep because they’re afraid of interceptions. I think Marvin breaks out this year. I think Michael Wilson will do really well next year as well, but I think wide receivers are more replaceable now than they were before. tight ends like Trey McBride are more dangerous weapons because they are on the field the entire time and defenses can’t predict what the offense is going to do.

 

[Syracusecards]

I am so sick off hearing this crap.
The Vikings just found a way to extend Jefferson…. JEFFERSON!
And we are supposed to worry how we are going to afford Wilson.
Egads.

be honest, do you think the Vikings are ever going to win the Super Bowl with Justin Jefferson?

 

[slanidrac16]

be honest, do you think the Vikings are ever going to win the Super Bowl with Justin Jefferson?

lol. IDK. But you need good players to at least get to the playoffs. Jefferson gives them a chance to get there.

 

[Shane]

be honest, do you think the Vikings are ever going to win the Super Bowl with Justin Jefferson?

Certainly not if they hitch their wheel to Kyler Murray

 

[BritCard]

@Syracusecards has a point.

There's little point paying WR's when you don't have a QB. But it's more than that.

I expect MHJ to take off under MLF. The talent and drive is there, that combination rarely fails long term. In which case, in a years time Mikey is your 3rd receiving option behind MHJ and Trey.

Do you want to pay your 3rd option $25m a year? Because that's what they are going for. Watch what Alec Pierce gets in FA with a very similar career to date as Mike (Mike broke 1k in year 3, it took Pierce 4 years).

If MHJ takes off, and we should be expecting he will, in a years time you could lose Mike for nothing. Or, you could probably get a 2nd for him now.

I'm not favoring either, just laying it out.

If I'm Monti I'm already working on an extension I'm happy with, and if we can't find terms I'm trading him before the deadline.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Certainly not if they hitch their wheel to Kyler Murray

Eh I think the Vikings could figure out how to unlock the best out of Kyler Murray.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Don't have to do anything with him right now. You're likely not getting any more than a 3rd for him in the trade market. See what he does this year in the new offense. If he has a great year, extend, franchise, or transition tag him. If he goes back to mediocre, let him hit the market. He's not a proven commodity by any means.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

be honest, do you think the Vikings are ever going to win the Super Bowl with Justin Jefferson?

Their chances are much better with him than without him.

 

[Cardinal88]

I’m no gambler but …. the odds of Minnesota winning a Super Bowl with Kyler have to be at least 10 times better than the Cardinals odds winning it over the next 5-10 years.

 

[DVontel]

be honest, do you think the Vikings are ever going to win the Super Bowl with Justin Jefferson?

Seahawks just won a Super Bowl with a top 3 WR in JSN.

 

[DVontel]

I don’t know why it’s “I expect Marv to breakout this year” & not more “I expect Michael to continue his ascension this year” in this thread.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t know why it’s “I expect Marv to breakout this year” & not more “I expect Michael to continue his ascension this year” in this thread.

Right? One has evidence. The other is feels.

 

[Goodyear Card]

How do you get better as a team by trading your best players? We will have plenty of money to spend now that we got rid of the $45m boat anchor

 

[oaken1]

@Syracusecards has a point.

There's little point paying WR's when you don't have a QB. But it's more than that.

I expect MHJ to take off under MLF. The talent and drive is there, that combination rarely fails long term. In which case, in a years time Mikey is your 3rd receiving option behind MHJ and Trey.

Do you want to pay your 3rd option $25m a year? Because that's what they are going for. Watch what Alec Pierce gets in FA with a very similar career to date as Mike (Mike broke 1k in year 3, it took Pierce 4 years).

If MHJ takes off, and we should be expecting he will, in a years time you could lose Mike for nothing. Or, you could probably get a 2nd for him now.

I'm not favoring either, just laying it out.

If I'm Monti I'm already working on an extension I'm happy with, and if we can't find terms I'm trading him before the deadline.

naw...in a years time you can hit MikeWilly with the transition tag...
but in all honesty, he seems a pretty well grounded dude..I think there is a fair chance he stays put for a reasonable deal as he doesnt strike me as the type of ego driven diva that wont feel good about himself until he is the highest paid WR in the league....or even on the team.

But with the transition tag we get the right to match any offer, or compensation picks if we dont....and letting the league do their negotiating is a tactic we have seen from the Bidwill mafia before.

 

[BritCard]

naw...in a years time you can hit MikeWilly with the transition tag...
but in all honesty, he seems a pretty well grounded dude..I think there is a fair chance he stays put for a reasonable deal as he doesnt strike me as the type of ego driven diva that wont feel good about himself until he is the highest paid WR in the league....or even on the team.

But with the transition tag we get the right to match any offer, or compensation picks if we dont....and letting the league do their negotiating is a tactic we have seen from the Bidwill mafia before.

Dude, players are earning for the rest of their lives. Nobody is taking a nice guy deal. Their agents know market value.

The projected transition tag for WR next year is $27m. In a year we may well not have a QB.

 

[BritCard]

I don’t know why it’s “I expect Marv to breakout this year” & not more “I expect Michael to continue his ascension this year” in this thread.

I expect both, but Mike ate with Marv was out, he's not going to see 15 targets a game anymore.

I love Mike, I was one of the few here saying he was WR1 talent when y'all were saying he was a WR3/4 at best. But Marv is a better all round player than Mike. Physically more talented, faster etc. Mike has been more skilled, a better technician, but I expect Marv to catch up on that front.

Both great players, whose skill sets compliment each other, and I don't want Mike to leave. But Syracuse has a fair point and fans need to ask themselves if they want to pay Mike $25m next year when he may only have a 900 yard season competing with Trey and Marv. It's a valid question.

 

[DVontel]

I expect both, but Mike ate with Marv was out, he's not going to see 15 targets a game anymore.

He still ate, regardless. There’s proof there. There’s no guarantee Marv would’ve ate w/o Michael. That’s just hope, not reality.

I love Mike, I was one of the few here saying he was WR1 talent when y'all

I speak for myself. I’m not “yall”. Don’t equate me with others.

But Marv is a better all round player than Mike. Physically more talented, faster etc.

Based off of what? College? Is Marv a better all around player than Puka because of their college careers & draft selections?

But Syracuse has a fair point and fans need to ask themselves if they want to pay Mike $25m next year when he may only have a 900 yard season competing with Trey and Marv. It's a valid question.

This question needs to be asked about Marv, not Mike.

 

[ACY]

Monti's draft record is

Trade picks for established players, not the other way around. Once Kyler is off the books, there will be plenty of money for extensions

 

[oaken1]

@Syracusecards has a point.

There's little point paying WR's when you don't have a QB. But it's more than that.

I expect MHJ to take off under MLF. The talent and drive is there, that combination rarely fails long term. In which case, in a years time Mikey is your 3rd receiving option behind MHJ and Trey.

Do you want to pay your 3rd option $25m a year? Because that's what they are going for. Watch what Alec Pierce gets in FA with a very similar career to date as Mike (Mike broke 1k in year 3, it took Pierce 4 years).

If MHJ takes off, and we should be expecting he will, in a years time you could lose Mike for nothing. Or, you could probably get a 2nd for him now.

I'm not favoring either, just laying it out.

If I'm Monti I'm already working on an extension I'm happy with, and if we can't find terms I'm trading him before the deadline.

nah man... simple fact is, when you do not have your QB...and one is not readily available to target...the teams sole focus should be in preparing the team to make that future QB successful,...whoever he may be.
you do this in 4 ways... first, you protect him...this includes strengthening the offensive line and getting him a RB or TE that can be quick outlets in times of stress.
second, you get him receiving options...young QB's have fragile psyches and bad routes and dropped passes can ruin a kid from the inside out before he fully adapts to the pro game. so you need options that run the right route every time and catch whatever is thrown their way...also helps if occasionally they can haul in a poor decision made in haste.
Third...you get the kid a solid running game...nothing kills a young QB faster than his opponents always knowing when he is going to pass the ball. a good ground game keeps the defense guessing and has the added benefit of shortening the game.
Lastly, you get the kid a defense that gets stops and turnovers...limiting the opponents score keeps pressure off the kid so he doesnt feel like he has to win the game on every possession...it helps protect a lead...and it gets him more chances to manufacture scoring drives.
right now our group of pass catchers are exactly where we want them. fairly solid guys with experience...and they will have a year in the offense if we wait until 27 to draft a guy...
so we need to focus on the protection and the running game, leave the pass catchers alone.

also, there are ways to set up a contract that make it easier to sign a guy for less money..
example...5yrs/60mil...only 12 mil a year, not top cash for a decent WR... but if its 5/60 w/50mil guaranteed, 30m as signing bonus, with 4mil salary guaranteed per year...its a lot more acceptable to a guy than getting 5/100 with 35 guaranteed...and likely getting cut in a couple years...
with most players, that guaranteed and up front cash are more important than the overall number...because players usually dont see a full payout from a huge contract unless they stay at pro bowl or better level...so get the money now is usually a better option

 

[oaken1]

He still ate, regardless. There’s proof there. There’s no guarantee Marv would’ve ate w/o Michael. That’s just hope, not reality.

I speak for myself. I’m not “yall”. Don’t equate me with others.

Based off of what? College? Is Marv a better all around player than Puka because of their college careers & draft selections?

This question needs to be asked about Marv, not Mike.

right??
If the rumors about cleveland offering a 1st and a 3rd for Marv are true....Monti needs to seriously consider making that deal....the luster of the "Legacy" has worn off...Marv needs to put up, like right damn now...if they dont think he will then taking a first for him is a no brainer

 

[BritCard]

He still ate, regardless. There’s proof there. There’s no guarantee Marv would’ve ate w/o Michael. That’s just hope, not reality.

He never said Marv would have ate. He wouldn't because Mike would have been there too. Mike had a bunch of games where it was him, Greg Dorth, Weaver and some PS guy. That's not happening again.

I speak for myself. I’m not “yall”. Don’t equate me with others.

I don't remember you saying Mike was anything else that the consensus board opinion TBH

Based off of what? College? Is Marv a better all around player than Puka because of their college careers & draft selections?

Based off everything. College. Genetics. Play styles. How they have looked in the league. Marv is clearly a more rounded WR, Mike is more a possession guy. And I say this as a big fan of Mike.

This question needs to be asked about Marv, not Mike.

They ain't moving Marv. This is dreamland stuff. And as I said for Mike before, Marv is going to have a great year, if they get him someone decent to throw the ball.

 

[BritCard]

right??
If the rumors about cleveland offering a 1st and a 3rd for Marv are true....Monti needs to seriously consider making that deal....the luster of the "Legacy" has worn off...Marv needs to put up, like right damn now...if they dont think he will then taking a first for him is a no brainer

They weren't true. They were made up.