PFF drafting

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  1. Chris_Sanders

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    I can just post them if you want. #shameless
     
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    Appreciate the offer but if I get really serious I will subscribe to ESPN+ or PFF.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    If I change over from DirecTV I may go with YouTube TV.

    However, when my subscription runs out with The Athletic I may give ESPN+ a try. Thanks for the information.
     
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    Didn't we just have the best yards per carry in franchise history?

    Our big uglies must have done something right.

    With that being said..... RT & C to me are two of our 4 biggest overall needs.

    My opinion:
    1. WILB - Who covers TE's???
    2. RT
    3. DL
    4. C
    5. SOLB
     
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    Having both, I believe the Athletic is 100x better. ESPN+ is really only good with the NFL draft thanks to McShay and Kiper.
     
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    So just for the sake of it...if we went of PFF's top 100 list right now, we would end up with Andrew Thomas #8, Zack Baun #40, and Jonathan Taylor at #72

    OT, Edge, RB

    We could do a lot worse. Those a 3 really solid football players.
     
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    It’s free and available before the draft. Hit the icon by view our rating system and you’ll see what numbers like 5.57 mean. This system has been widely used by scouts for years. Joel Buchsbaum, who before his death published the most comprehensive work on prospects, used this system. It’s broad but typically decent.
     
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    For some reason I'm still having a bit of trouble finding it. Perhaps if you could provide a link to a current player with a numerical score it would help. Then I could work it backwards.

    As a side note, I'm interested in QB Nate Stanley. I'd like your opinion. I saw him in a game and really liked him as a player.
     
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    For all the hand wringing about PFF what I personally find is this.

    The grades that PFF gives, both for games and over a season, generally like up with how I think that player performed, and I find often line up with what analysts as a whole think.

    I can't recall a situation where NFL media and NFL twitter have had an opinion on a player that's been contrary to PFF grades.

    The main one for me has always been David Johnson. But you have to recall that PFF grade you on what you are asked to do every snap. Running a route and catching a 25 yards pass isn't weighted any more than blocking a blitzing cornerback. And DJ sucks at picking up blitzes and pass pro in general, which often means he can have 100+ scrimmage yards and a TD but a grade of 60.
     
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    No.

    That simply says college production does not always translate to production in the pros and vice versa.

    No matter what system you use there are going to be exceptions - because that is the reality when you are dealing with 100's of variables being in play such as the players personal life, coaching both in college and the pro's, system usage, competition faced, personal motivation etc.
     
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    It won't be perfect - nothing is - but overall I have far more faith in their grading than I do any scout or group of scouts.

    Grading every play takes bias out of the equation to a large degree. Not perfect, but better than the opinion of 99% of individuals IMO
     
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    I think it goes up after the Combine. Here’s Isabella from last year


    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andy-isabella?id=32194953-4156-2722-bf26-62181351a224
     

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