OTAs start today for the Arizona Cardinals. Part Three!

[DVontel]

It certainly looked a lot easier once the answer to every formation became "find Cody Simon's assignment"

Mack Wilson is a good player, but damn it’s like we lost Aaron Donald at the ILB position with how the defense fell down once Simon took over due to Mack’s injury.

 

[kerouac9]

Mack Wilson is a good player, but damn it’s like we lost Aaron Donald at the ILB position with how the defense fell down once Simon took over due to Mack’s injury.

Totally. If your entire defense is dependent on Mack Wilson Sr your defense is poorly designed or you can’t coach.

 

[602 Native]

Totally. If your entire defense is dependent on Mack Wilson Sr your defense is poorly designed or you can’t coach.

It’s both of those.

 

[BritCard]

Then cut him. Sitting and doing nothing is what makes the Cardinals look like clowns. If you promote a guy into a higher role and he doesn't produce, fire him. If you don't think you can afford to lose him, pay him. Either way, action resolves the situation more than doing nothing and looking like your franchise and new HC are being held hostage by a journeyman QB.

But they aren't doing nothing. You just don't know what they are doing. There's a huge difference.

 

[BritCard]

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He was out of bounds though

 

[Stout]

But they aren't doing nothing. You just don't know what they are doing. There's a huge difference.

They haven't done anything external yet, and the situation looks very bad. So, whatever's happening behind the scenes happened way too slow--if it even ever comes to fruition. Either way, Monti has already flubbed it.

 

[BritCard]

They haven't done anything external yet, and the situation looks very bad. So, whatever's happening behind the scenes happened way too slow--if it even ever comes to fruition. Either way, Monti has already flubbed it.

But you have no idea what is happening. So any idea that he's "flubbed it" is pure bias.

Brissett might have a perfectly reasonable offer. He may have had it for weeks. He might just be dragging his heels on saying OK because it gives him an excuse to miss not really voluntary OTAs. Which, frankly, is what most 10 year vets would do. It's what we would do.

 

[Stout]

But you have no idea what is happening. So any idea that he's "flubbed it" is pure bias.

Brissett might have a perfectly reasonable offer. He may have had it for weeks. He might just be dragging his heels on saying OK because it gives him an excuse to miss not really voluntary OTAs. Which, frankly, is what most 10 year vets would do. It's what we would do.

No. The evidence is before our eyes. The team looks grossly incompetent. They have a 1-11 backup QB who has held out through an important training in a new system because he wants starter money that he's wanted for quite some time. Monti should have cut, traded, or signed him to a new deal by now. So Monti ALREADY looks like a fool, no matter what's going on "behind the scenes." This after Monti stupidly dubbed him the starter rather than declaring an open competition after the draft. Dubbing JB the starter already had zero upside.

So what is Monti going to do behind the scenes that's going to resolve all that? Nothing, clearly.

 

[kerouac9]

But they aren't doing nothing. You just don't know what they are doing. There's a huge difference.

You also don’t know if they’re doing anything, though.

What we do know is what they’re saying on Hardy Drive: nothing has changed since two weeks ago.

Not devestating to your thesis, but doesn’t give much help.

 

[kerouac9]

Either way, Monti has already flubbed it.

I think this is catastrophising. None of this will have a meaningful impact on the Cards 2026 season.

It’s just embarrassing.

 

[Stout]

I think this is catastrophising. None of this will have a meaningful impact on the Cards 2026 season.

It’s just embarrassing.

It's embarrassing and it shows our proclaimed starting QB for next season is slightly behind the eight ball, and neither he nor the front office are doing all they can to win this season. I mean, that's only one of a plethora of ways the FO has signaled this. Yes, you can say it's minor, but for a team with so many tight losses last year and a lackluster roster still, they need every single advantage they can get, small or large. Having your starting QB putting his head together with his HC and teammates as much as humanly possible would be an advantage. Catastrophizing? No. I would say we're (Monti, in this instance) is failing at the little things, and for a team like the Cards, every little thing matters.

 

[Goldfield]

They haven't done anything external yet, and the situation looks very bad. So, whatever's happening behind the scenes happened way too slow--if it even ever comes to fruition. Either way, Monti has already flubbed it.

It doesn’t look VERY bad lol he’s a back up on a bad team

 

[kerouac9]

I would say we're (Monti, in this instance) is failing at the little things, and for a team like the Cards, every little thing matters.

Yes. It’s very embarrassing that a team and coaching staff who recently emphasized that details and little things matter so often overlook details and skip little things.

It started at the literal beginning when one of the first things Monti did was tamper with a coach in the playoffs.

What a boob.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I think Jacoby is gone. Not to many good teams keep three QB's. But Cards are not a good team

 

[Harry]

I think Jacoby is gone. Not to many good teams keep three QB's. But Cards are not a good team

You don’t negotiate in the press

 

[Chopper0080]

But they aren't doing nothing. You just don't know what they are doing. There's a huge difference.

This organization has earned zero benefit of doubt. Part of smart marketing is getting ahead of storylines and news vs being reactive or not putting out anything.

In terms of impact to the season, there is none. Brissett is not going to significantly change the course of the season. That said, a new coach should bring hope, and this shows the franchise that has been an embarrassment under prior coaches is still an embarrassment with this one.

 

[Stout]

It doesn’t look VERY bad lol he’s a back up on a bad team

He's the starter.

 

[some dumb guy]

He's the starter.

Stout, I know that was hard for you to say. Maybe lie down and rest for a little bit. LOL

 

[Adrian]

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[phillycard]

What did the front office do wrong?

They don't want to pay him big money because he is not a long term option, we won't be that good this year, and it might even be in our best interests to start the rookie.

There was no other QB to obtain unless you believe Malik Willis is the answer - which is at best a very risky gamble.

If I am the Cards I tell him we will go up to 12 million or something like that, but that's it. That shows some acknowledgement he has earned a raise, but it also tells him the way we view him, as nothing more than a very short term stop gap, and it is a stop gap we will just bypass altogether if it costs more than that.

The whole Kyler fiasco was an embarrassment because there was never a plan to replace him. Beck despite my wishes for his success was taken because we HAD to take a developmental QB. I agree wholeheartedly with your raise proposal, but we handled this on the fly instead of planning in advance once we knew we were pivoting from K1. It was just ham-handed.

 

[Adrian]

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[JosiahLee]

I didn't care at first about JB but now we're in OTA's I know he's a vet but we're putting in a whole new offense with a new coaching system so the fact that he's not there does bother me. I assume he has a playbook and he's a smart guy so he'll learn it on his own but once OTA's start it does bug me when players hold out.

We SHOULD IMO give him a raise he's a starter now but I don't like him not being there now.

I respect the opinion of those who say we should give JB a raise, but I will respectfully disagree for a few reasons:

1. Caving to a player demanding a raise after winning 1 game…I repeat, one game is beyond insane. What kind of precedence do they want to set as an organization?

2. As has been documented, most of his stats were during garbage time…A lazy eye will simply look at the final stats rather than remember what actually happened during the games, especially those were winning was in reach…JB collapsed in every one of those games.

3. He is barely even a bridge quarterback if that’s fair to say…Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer were actual bridge QBs for us. I don’t see how dumping resources into a player who doesn’t win games helps this team figure out the most important position in all of sports. Paying him leads to pressure to play him, thus delaying seeing what we have in Carson Beck.

4. I won’t even argue that as it stands that he is the best QB option on this team. But that’s really a weak argument. So we should pay JB bc starting him gives us a 4.2% chance to win games instead of a 2.2% chance with Minshew? The difference is minuscule and this non consequential in the grand scheme. If we’re rebuilding just embrace the rebuild, I vote start Beck, or at least by October.

 

[kerouac9]

Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer were actual bridge QBs for us.

This is factually untrue. Both Warner and Palmer signed big-money extensions with us and then retired before we’d put together a succession plan. They were bridges to nowhere.

 

[Russ Smith]

I respect the opinion of those who say we should give JB a raise, but I will respectfully disagree for a few reasons:

1. Caving to a player demanding a raise after winning 1 game…I repeat, one game is beyond insane. What kind of precedence do they want to set as an organization?

2. As has been documented, most of his stats were during garbage time…A lazy eye will simply look at the final stats rather than remember what actually happened during the games, especially those were winning was in reach…JB collapsed in every one of those games.

3. He is barely even a bridge quarterback if that’s fair to say…Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer were actual bridge QBs for us. I don’t see how dumping resources into a player who doesn’t win games helps this team figure out the most important position in all of sports. Paying him leads to pressure to play him, thus delaying seeing what we have in Carson Beck.

4. I won’t even argue that as it stands that he is the best QB option on this team. But that’s really a weak argument. So we should pay JB bc starting him gives us a 4.2% chance to win games instead of a 2.2% chance with Minshew? The difference is minuscule and this non consequential in the grand scheme. If we’re rebuilding just embrace the rebuild, I vote start Beck, or at least by October.

I'm not saying he's Tom Brady.

But we just gave Gardner Minshew 5.75 million and then declared JB is the starter, he makes 6.25 million. So Monti sort of helped set the salary range.

If he didn't want to give JB a raise he shouldn't have announced him the starter

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Imo Brissett is justified asking for a raise. This is the FB equivalent of your boss leaving and you are asked to assume their role. Yearly reviews come around and you are asked to continue those responsibilities without being compensated. Pay the man!

Except in your scenario, he was thrust into the boss role after the old boss was jettisoned. In his time at the helm, he was somehow worse than the last boss you gave a huge balloon package just to go away.

Any other business wouldn't give Jacoby a raise; they'd give him a pink slip.