Ossenfort’s Performance

[Harry]

hello and welcome to another clam baked session of wake and bake with your host - the hippie where we think about things way too hard and way too long and make too many logical leaps for the non-gangafied mind to make - today's strain is jack flash and the topic - monti ossenfort and kyler murray

lets just get to it - monti interviewed and said he could do it with kyler - you know - the biggest investment of mikey's life - mikey's been through the qb ringer since (unofficially) taking over in a division with 3 other teams that can find YOUNG playoff caliber qbs like they're car keys

only a few players remain from keim time - monti made sure of that but he kept murray who was supposed to be the answer to all mikeys problems

so mikey hired monti who promised to do it with kyler

then monti hired a defensive coach in jonathon gannon

then that defensive coach was allowed to hire his own offensive coordinator

let's play that back - because it kinda looks like kyler wasn't the focal point at all - kk failed here but that doesn't mean an offensive head coach isn't the way to go if you're gonna win with kyler

this is not a kyler excuse documentary btw - he hasn't lived up to being the number one pick - and makes monti's job very difficult - period - but back to monti and how we got here

mikey - monti - gannon and then finally petzing - and here's the petzinger- petzing is a run first kinda guy - damn - just another hit to sink the murray battleship

we went from hiring monti who said he could do it with kyler but instead the plan looks to be doing it despite kyler

this organization has entrusted kyler's future with drew petzing instead of a head coach level hands on play calling offensive genius that would obsess on kyler's abilities

maybe im high - maybe this was the plan all along and mikey is good with it - and isn't resigning kyler unless kyler is successful - with petzing - ouch

my thing is - if kliffy wasn't successful with murray (in the end) why would petzing be? why get a qb with ability only to be a micro managed game manager

because truth is kliffy was successful with murray for a hot minute - but what would typically be growing pains and learning how to win turned into a dysfunctional relationship and idk who that's on - kliffy or kyler

regardless - the book is out- petzing sucks - monti knows it - gannon knows it - and kyler sure as hell knows it but can't say anything after the way he disrespected kliffy lol - so he pouts

dog wants to go on a walk - sorry for the length - but monti dropped the ball by passing the buck

I believe Murray’s problems started when the defenses figured him out. He can’t stay composed under pressure. Take away his primary and he’ll run. He’ll also frequently use that fishhook escape pattern where they now cut him off. If he runs to the sideline, he won’t pull up and throw. They just play the run. Not much need to double-cover deep receivers as Murray will throw off his back foot. So the ball will float and coverage will have time to catch up even if beaten early. Safeties should play the overthrow. This doesn’t mean Murray can’t hurt a defense. It means he can’t do that consistently.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I believe Murray’s problems started when the defenses figured him out. He can’t stay composed under pressure. Take away his primary and he’ll run. He’ll also frequently use that fishhook escape pattern where they now cut him off. If he runs to the sideline, he won’t pull up and throw. They just play the run. Not much need to double-cover deep receivers as Murray will throw off his back foot. So the ball will float and coverage will have time to catch up even if beaten early. Safeties should play the overthrow. This doesn’t mean Murray can’t hurt a defense. It means he can’t do that consistently.

agreed on all of that - so should petzing give murrays the keys or put kyler in the back of a waymo

 

[Harry]

Monti himself depleted the roster--he doesn't get credit for having a depleted roster when he did it on purpose. 3 years in and we suck, and the roster is subpar. That is hardcore failure all around, from owner to GM to coach to QB.

Please list the players beyond Allen & Murphy that he removed from the roster.

 

[slanidrac16]

Very kind. I won’t disappear, but I do need to take more time to get it technically right.

If only we all took the time. I’m guilty as anybody with knee jerk reactions. I don’t think you are guilty of that.

 

[slanidrac16]

I believe Murray’s problems started when the defenses figured him out. He can’t stay composed under pressure. Take away his primary and he’ll run. He’ll also frequently use that fishhook escape pattern where they now cut him off. If he runs to the sideline, he won’t pull up and throw. They just play the run. Not much need to double-cover deep receivers as Murray will throw off his back foot. So the ball will float and coverage will have time to catch up even if beaten early. Safeties should play the overthrow. This doesn’t mean Murray can’t hurt a defense. It means he can’t do that consistently.

Get ready to duck an incoming from 602…..

 

[az jam]

I’m not down on Bidwill. I think he wants to win and will spend the money to get there. I really feel the issue is not the GM but Murray. We had GM Graves and HC Wisenhunt go to the Super Bowl with QB Warner. GM Keim and HC Arians had playoff teams with QB Palmer. Those were franchise QBs. This is Murrays 7th season.He is not a franchise QB! Harry wrote a post saying it is time to move on from Murray after the season. I agree and that is what needs to happen regardless of who is the GM and HC.

 

[DVontel]

I’m not down on Bidwill. I think he wants to win and will spend the money to get there. I really feel the issue is not the GM but Murray. We had GM Graves and HC Wisenhunt go to the Super Bowl with QB Warner. GM Keim and HC Arians had playoff teams with QB Palmer. Those were franchise QBs. This is Murrays 7th season.He is not a franchise QB! Harry wrote a post saying it is time to move on from Murray after the season. I agree and that is what needs to happen regardless of who is the GM and HC.

You purposely ignoring the many bad/mediocre seasons Bidwill have been a part of before Murray even got here?

 

[Harry]

You purposely ignoring the many bad/mediocre seasons Bidwill have been a part of before Murray even got here?

I’m not down on Bidwill. I think he wants to win and will spend the money to get there. I really feel the issue is not the GM but Murray. We had GM Graves and HC Wisenhunt go to the Super Bowl with QB Warner. GM Keim and HC Arians had playoff teams with QB Palmer. Those were franchise QBs. This is Murrays 7th season.He is not a franchise QB! Harry wrote a post saying it is time to move on from Murray after the season. I agree and that is what needs to happen regardless of who is the GM and HC.

I just think things like the NFLPA survey make it harder to attract top FAs. I know they’re building a new facility, but charging players for lunch seems cheap. The locker room stuff seemed cheap. Big time coaches and GMs want to go to a team that projects being a class operation. The Cards don’t. They are improving, but they’re not there yeat.

 

[kerouac9]

Please list the players beyond Allen & Murphy that he removed from the roster.

DHop
Zach Ertz
Simmons
Golden

 

[BirdGangThing]

DHop
Zach Ertz

d-hop wanted gone - thought very little (no pun intended) of kyler

 

[kerouac9]

d-hop wanted gone - thought very little (no pun intended) of kyler

Okay but he was also under contract.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

So Monti has done a good job? This is your claim? It's ALL on Petzing a nd Kyler? So answer me this: How many stars have we brought in under 3 years with Monti? Hint, the answer is less than one.

Hyper critical by a mile, I could list good to amazing players such a PJ, Garrett, Sweat but we are obviously looking through different lenses so won't see eye to eye on this.

Defense top 10 in points allowed, but who cares right?

And yes - I WILL CLAIM - if your offensive coordinator runs foolishness like a demarcado run on 3&18 at the 50 yard line and your QB dips his fingers in hot butter to throw intentional grounding at the 5 yard line- then your offense is hosed along with your season.

 

[Dback Jon]

Ossenfort’s O-line is a complete failure

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Ossenfort’s O-line is a complete failure

This unit was very solid last year- they have definitely regressed. Only thing that really changed was that we lost klayton Adams. That's not on monti- thats just terrible coaching

 

[Dback Jon]

This unit was very solid last year- they have definitely regressed. Only thing that really changed was that we lost klayton Adams. That's not on monti- thats just terrible coaching

Why did Adam’s leave?

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Why did Adam’s leave?

Took the offensive coordinator job for Dallas. Didn't think it was a big deal- but it's showing up as what a loss

 

[Dback Jon]

So we kept Putz instead. Ugh

Took the offensive coordinator job for Dallas. Didn't think it was a big deal- but it's showing up as what a

 

[kerouac9]

Find someone who excuses all your shortcomings the way @GeorgiaCard88 excuses Ossenfort’s. What he he done to deserve your loyalty?

14-25!

 

[602 Native]

can’t wait for Harry’s next gem to excuse this team

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Find someone who excuses all your shortcomings the way @GeorgiaCard88 excuses Ossenfort’s. What he he done to deserve your loyalty?

14-25!

You're right- I wave the white flag. This team is awful

 

[DVontel]

Monti is really lucky everyone hates Kyler & hated Keim.

 

[Stout]

Please list the players beyond Allen & Murphy that he removed from the roster.

I'm sorry, beyond the star Big John and the solid defensive starter? No, I think that was quite enough. You can't say, "Well, he got rid of/lost a star and a solid defensive starter, but what else?" That is enough. People try to give him a pass for that year. You don't get a pass when you make it worse. There was no way we were making the playoffs year one, but we should've been shooting for the playoffs year two. Now we're PRAYING we can make the playoffs in year FOUR. Does that feel like success to you?

 

[602 Native]

Monti is really lucky everyone hates Kyler & hated Keim.

Monti is worse than Keim as a GM right now.

MO isn’t a drunk but so far as a GM he isn’t as good.

 

[Stout]

Hyper critical by a mile, I could list good to amazing players such a PJ, Garrett, Sweat but we are obviously looking through different lenses so won't see eye to eye on this.

Defense top 10 in points allowed, but who cares right?

And yes - I WILL CLAIM - if your offensive coordinator runs foolishness like a demarcado run on 3&18 at the 50 yard line and your QB dips his fingers in hot butter to throw intentional grounding at the 5 yard line- then your offense is hosed along with your season.

PJ's decent, Garrett can't stay on the field, Sweat is decent. None of them are stars, or close to it. This franchise is a failure at all levels. It isn't all Monti's fault, but he gets a fair portion of blame. He hired the OC, after all, FFS.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Ossenfort is freaking terrible. Same lack of urgency as the coaching staff