Ossenfort’s Performance

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Keep in mind all that was required of him was to fix a franchise that last won the top prize in 1947, when BTW they were owned by the same family. How hard could that be? I have to chuckle about people thinking he should fix this in 3 years. How many GMs have been with the Cards and failed since 1947? I didn’t waste the time to count them; it’s a lot. Remember even in their Super Bowl year the Cards regular season record was 9-7.

I was asked to review his drafts. I’m going to take a broader view and review his overall performance. While the jury is still out I’ve already posted I think Gannon was as a good a choice as was practically available. Don’t lose sight of the fact that top people aren’t clamoring to work for Bidwill. Just ask Reid and Payton. The Cards will have to develop a coach. Ken Blanchard author of the book One Minute Manager, likens the Cardinal fans’ position to looking for a Sea World performer. You go out in small boat, spot an Orca, hold a rod out above the water and shout jump. If you can’t hire it; you have to develop it.

The second big indictment of Ossenfort was letting Allen and Murphy leave via free agency. While I think Ossenfort was in a tough spot of not knowing whose evaluation to trust, I accept it was indeed a mistake to let those players leave. I don’t believe it had a big impact on the rebuild, but they’ve both proven to be quality NFL players.

I’m not going to list them but for the most part Ossenfort’s free agent signings have been better than average. Some complain he should have signed more players, but you can only integrate so many players and have effective participation. He’s signed a big bunch of people. He hasn’t missed on many substantial choices, though injuries skewed his results.

Draft-wise taking them one year at a time, 2025 saw all 7 picks essentially make the roster. With Nolen out it’s hard to fully assess the 2025 impact. Johnson and Burch look like exceptional choices. I think it will at least be a solid draft. If Nolen hits it will be outstanding. There weren’t enough picks to fix everything, but focusing on the side of the ball that has the best coaching, makes sense to me.

In 2024 I would have traded some late picks. They had too many. Hard to coach up that many players. I know I will deviate from the board on this part of my review. I think it’s fair to say other WRs have outplayed Harrison, though I do believe some played in better circumstances. Nabers, though now injured, has been great without a doubt. Not certain how he’d have done in AZ, but likely better than Harrison’s done. I certainly haven’t given up on Harrison. I still maintain Harrison was the consensus choice for that pick. Robinson’s injury clearly set him back. He may just now be getting where he should have been last year. Late round 1 can often be a tricky place to grab a DL. Also I agree with some others; he may really be better at DE. Too soon to make a good call about him, but now with a mystery injury; who knows. Again people must expect GMs to be psychic. Robinson played 49 games in college with excellent stats that indicated aggression. He suffered no major injuries, being consistently healthy. Just how was Ossenfort supposed to predict his injury woes? BTW the injury concern is why Benson slid to round three though he was most often ranked the number one RB. At Oregon Benson had a major knee injury, tearing his ACL & MCL. In 2 years at FSU he was never significantly injured despite carrying the ball 300 times. I haven’t seen any revised stats but it used to be a torn ACL was about 15% likely to recur. Drafting him could fairly be called a reasonable gamble.

Round 2 was Melton and when playing with the normal pairings he looked solid. He could use some safety help, like many corners. I think Benson was a good choice in round 3 though risky as I said above. He needs a fair shot with the proper running schemes. Adams looks like a reach at this stage. I like Reiman, especially on a run-first team. DTD was a great pick. He should start ahead of Thompson in my opinion. Thomas looked like an okay gamble for a round 5 pick, but the Cards now simply have better rushers. Jones is still distant from an impact player. Injuries haven’t helped. Palmer and Davis were just bodies. This is at least an average draft and if I’m right about player development it could end up as very good. It’s a pointless exercise IMO to pick one player drafted after a specific pick and say the Cards should have picked that player. You could do that with virtually any draft.

2023 saw the Cards get a decent if not flashy LT in Johnson. I never liked Gaines, but the Cards seem to. Ojulari has been a hard luck injury victim who flashed some when he got on the field. Tune had the raw talent but never exhibited enough composure. Like Murray he was damaged by poor line play. No clue on Robinson. Clark has proven to be at least a decent backup CB now that he’s been allowed to play. This was a first draft by a new GM who likely didn’t have his preferred scouting and evaluation staff in place. It’s like working in the dark. Likely a somewhat below average result.

Drafting is tough. The move for a college player to the NFL is often challenging. Rarely after the top 15 picks do all a team’s scouts agree on a pick. Even with the right pick, coaching and injury can destroy the best strategies. Look at the mocks from former scouts and GMs. They never agree beyond sometimes the early picks. I think Ossenfort’s drafts have improved from year to year. I’m anxious to see what he does next year. Improvement is the primary objective if the latest draft is sound.

I’m not certain there’s a magic number but we used to say if half your picks make the 53 that’s a good draft. Though I admit the Cards started with a very weak roster. Of course also if you only hit on the bottom picks, that’s obviously not good. I think Ossenfort overall has been reasonably successful.

When he arrived in Arizona the Cards were in total disarray roster-wise. They still have obvious gaps, but you can only fix so much in 3 years. I know that seems like a long time to fans, but it’s not a full run in the NFL. I look at a 5 year period if you’re starting from near zero, especially for a first time GM. I agree that if a team is consistently going backwards, unless they suffer severe injuries, it’s a cause for concern. I think Ossenfort has moved the team forward despite some coaching issues. This is clearly a better roster than the one he inherited. He hasn’t fixed everything but patience is still a virtue.
I think this is a very fair assessment. For a rookie GM I feel he’s done pretty good. I do think his drafting has improved. Not all picks are going to work out. We definitely need to hit on top picks. I still don’t understand letting Allen leave. That was a flat out mistake.
 

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Awesome. We’ll always be a year behind while Monti fixes his mistakes from the previous season.

I can’t believe there are Monti Ossenfort dead-enders. He’s 14-24! What are you defending? Have more self-respect.
You are SO right, we should toss out our GM every 2-3 years and completely blow it up- that's what the good franchises do. Step back from the cliff, don't forget your sertraline dose, take a deep breath in my petulant friend and don't let the first words out of your mouth be "we need to blow it all up" when you exhale. Call me a "dead ender" with a lack of self respect all you want- I see the problem as petzing + Kyler, not this teams entire roster construction.
 

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You guys are shoveling a lot of dirt onto MO's grave considering we'll likely be 3-2 tomorrow evening. :)

Not necessarily arguing draft success or particular FA signings, but it's still possible this team wins 10 games this year. Less likely than it seemed this summer, but still very possible. If so, then I'll die on the hill that the rebuild was a success.
The only reason we're not 0-4 is our defense.
 

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The biggest problem was Monti being strapped with a limited qb and depleted roster.
If Kyler hadn’t been signed to the stupid extension he would be gone by now.

EDIT. Along with a cheap owner that doesn’t play like the big kids.
 
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Is it possible for you to show some respect to a major contributor on this site, or is this your attempt at humor?
Looks like I kicked another sacred cow.

Mouthpiecing for an inept organization isn’t my style.

The same org that gave K1 a deal that you on this very page state contempt for. So who is really to blame for where the Cards are at in this moment.
 

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I think this is a very fair assessment. For a rookie GM I feel he’s done pretty good. I do think his drafting has improved. Not all picks are going to work out. We definitely need to hit on top picks. I still don’t understand letting Allen leave. That was a flat out mistake.
Totally agree. If the plan is to build around young players, which it always is, then we could've kept two, Murphy and Allen, and probably have been in the playoffs last year
 

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Looks like I kicked another sacred cow.

Mouthpiecing for an inept organization isn’t my style.

The same org that gave K1 a deal that you on this very page state contempt for. So who is really to blame for where the Cards are at in this moment.
You don’t get it.
But to answer your question.
1. Bidwill for signing a GM and HC sooner than he should have based on 1 year of some success.
2. A GM that signed a qb that completely fell apart down the stretch of the somewhat successful year sooner than what was necessary.
3. Bidwill firing the GM and HC (which most of us agreed with) without a plan to hire a top notch experience GM or HC. Instead hired rookies to fill those positions.
4. Everyone for believing Murray was a top 5 qb.
5. Bidwill for either unable or unwilling to play the NFL game like the big boys making it more difficult for ANY GM to operate. Ask Sean Payton.

Back to my point. Harry has contributed 1000x more insight to this site than you will ever dream of. Way more than your Kyler is great and the 101 reasons why it’s everybody’s else’s fault.
 

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hello and welcome to another clam baked session of wake and bake with your host - the hippie where we think about things way too hard and way too long and make too many logical leaps for the non-gangafied mind to make - today's strain is jack flash and the topic - monti ossenfort and kyler murray

lets just get to it - monti interviewed and said he could do it with kyler - you know - the biggest investment of mikey's life - mikey's been through the qb ringer since (unofficially) taking over in a division with 3 other teams that can find YOUNG playoff caliber qbs like they're car keys

only a few players remain from keim time - monti made sure of that but he kept murray who was supposed to be the answer to all mikeys problems

so mikey hired monti who promised to do it with kyler

then monti hired a defensive coach in jonathon gannon

then that defensive coach was allowed to hire his own offensive coordinator

let's play that back - because it kinda looks like kyler wasn't the focal point at all - kk failed here but that doesn't mean an offensive head coach isn't the way to go if you're gonna win with kyler

this is not a kyler excuse documentary btw - he hasn't lived up to being the number one pick - and makes monti's job very difficult - period - but back to monti and how we got here

mikey - monti - gannon and then finally petzing - and here's the petzinger- petzing is a run first kinda guy - damn - just another hit to sink the murray battleship

we went from hiring monti who said he could do it with kyler but instead the plan looks to be doing it despite kyler

this organization has entrusted kyler's future with drew petzing instead of a head coach level hands on play calling offensive genius that would obsess on kyler's abilities

maybe im high - maybe this was the plan all along and mikey is good with it - and isn't resigning kyler unless kyler is successful - with petzing - ouch

my thing is - if kliffy wasn't successful with murray (in the end) why would petzing be? why get a qb with ability only to be a micro managed game manager

because truth is kliffy was successful with murray for a hot minute - but what would typically be growing pains and learning how to win turned into a dysfunctional relationship and idk who that's on - kliffy or kyler

regardless - the book is out- petzing sucks - monti knows it - gannon knows it - and kyler sure as hell knows it but can't say anything after the way he disrespected kliffy lol - so he pouts

dog wants to go on a walk - sorry for the length - but monti dropped the ball by passing the buck
 
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You are SO right, we should toss out our GM every 2-3 years and completely blow it up- that's what the good franchises do. Step back from the cliff, don't forget your sertraline dose, take a deep breath in my petulant friend and don't let the first words out of your mouth be "we need to blow it all up" when you exhale. Call me a "dead ender" with a lack of self respect all you want- I see the problem as petzing + Kyler, not this teams entire roster construction.
So Monti has done a good job? This is your claim? It's ALL on Petzing a nd Kyler? So answer me this: How many stars have we brought in under 3 years with Monti? Hint, the answer is less than one.
 

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You don’t get it.
But to answer your question.
1. Bidwill for signing a GM and HC sooner than he should have based on 1 year of some success.
2. A GM that signed a qb that completely fell apart down the stretch of the somewhat successful year sooner than what was necessary.
3. Bidwill firing the GM and HC (which most of us agreed with) without a plan to hire a top notch experience GM or HC. Instead hired rookies to fill those positions.
4. Everyone for believing Murray was a top 5 qb.
5. Bidwill for either unable or unwilling to play the NFL game like the big boys making it more difficult for ANY GM to operate. Ask Sean Payton.

Back to my point. Harry has contributed 1000x more insight to this site than you will ever dream of. Way more than your Kyler is great and the 101 reasons why it’s everybody’s else’s fault.
That’s great he writes words on the internet. I don’t need to agree with what he writes in the slightest. We all contribute here to help drive more interactions which is what a forum is for.

I promise you without dissenting voices this place would dry up.
 

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The biggest problem was Monti being strapped with a limited qb and depleted roster.
If Kyler hadn’t been signed to the stupid extension he would be gone by now.

EDIT. Along with a cheap owner that doesn’t play like the big kids.
Monti himself depleted the roster--he doesn't get credit for having a depleted roster when he did it on purpose. 3 years in and we suck, and the roster is subpar. That is hardcore failure all around, from owner to GM to coach to QB.
 

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You are SO right, we should toss out our GM every 2-3 years and completely blow it up- that's what the good franchises do. Step back from the cliff, don't forget your sertraline dose, take a deep breath in my petulant friend and don't let the first words out of your mouth be "we need to blow it all up" when you exhale. Call me a "dead ender" with a lack of self respect all you want- I see the problem as petzing + Kyler, not this teams entire roster construction.
Find in my post where I’m calling on him to be fired and start over? He can both not be doing a good job and also earn more time. But you choose to attack a poster with a football take instead of just making a point. So good job there.

We deserve better than Monti Ossenfort learning on the job. What are three things he’s done really well besides fire a bunch of dudes when he arrived?
 

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Monti himself depleted the roster--he doesn't get credit for having a depleted roster when he did it on purpose. 3 years in and we suck, and the roster is subpar. That is hardcore failure all around, from owner to GM to coach to QB.
I agree. But we have NEVER acted like a big time NFL franchise. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. We always hear Bidwill is not rich other owners.
Bottom line he is conservative. His own decisions cost him millions having to pay several coaching staffs and GM’s.
We cling to the hope of catching lightning in a bottle every five years. That’s the best we will ever be.
 

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That’s great he writes words on the internet. I don’t need to agree with what he writes in the slightest. We all contribute here to help drive more interactions which is what a forum is for.

I promise you without dissenting voices this place would dry up.
My god are you full of yourself. This site has been around for a long time and I promise if your “ dissenting voice” never posted again I’m relatively sure it would continue to thrive.
 

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Monti himself depleted the roster--he doesn't get credit for having a depleted roster when he did it on purpose. 3 years in and we suck, and the roster is subpar. That is hardcore failure all around, from owner to GM to coach to QB.
Do you not believe Bidwill played a role in the decisions not paying Allen and Murphy. Did you forget Allen WANTED to leave?
Do you think that Bidwill paying Keim and Kingsbury didn’t tighten his purse strings. And maybe just maybe ( lol) played a role in not hiring Payton?
Or maybe Payton’s eyes were open during his short interview on how this franchise runs.
We are the redheaded stepchild in this league. Yet we continue to hope and think Murphy and Allen would have made us a playoff team.
 
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