Ossenfort’s Performance

[DaHilg]

You guys are shoveling a lot of dirt onto MO's grave when we'll likely be 3-2 tomorrow evening.

Not necessarily arguing draft success or particular FA signings, but it's still possible this team wins 10 games this year. Less likely than it seemed this summer, but still very possible. If so, then I'll die on the hill that the rebuild was a success.

And our 3 wins after this weekend will likely be against teams that are a total of what? 1-14?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And our 3 wins after this weekend will likely be against teams that are a total of what? 1-14?

100% fair DaHilg, but you can only play who they put in front of you.

And it's not like SF and SEA ran us off the field.

I think we're all 1000% right to be worried about the shaky draft pick and FA performance through four games.

Alls I'm saying is the die has not yet been cast on this critical year for the rebuild.

 

[kerouac9]

You guys are shoveling a lot of dirt onto MO's grave considering we'll likely be 3-2 tomorrow evening.

Not necessarily arguing draft success or particular FA signings, but it's still possible this team wins 10 games this year. Less likely than it seemed this summer, but still very possible. If so, then I'll die on the hill that the rebuild was a success.

If the cards get bounced from the playoffs by 20 points you’ll say this rebuild is a success?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

If the cards get bounced from the playoffs by 20 points you’ll say this rebuild is a success?

Before I answer, please tell us if you would kerouac9. And let's say the playoff loss is similar to 2021 loss, yes.

 

[602 Native]

I truly believe Harry is Michael Bidwill posting on a burner account.

 

[602 Native]

And our 3 wins after this weekend will likely be against teams that are a total of what? 1-14?

Don’t tell anyone that they are too focused on our defense being good (it isn’t) and our oline being good (it isn’t)

6 wins is what I am seeing out of this team with everyone being blown out at the end of the year.

 

[602 Native]

Before I answer, please tell us if you would kerouac9. And let's say the playoff loss is similar to 2021 loss, yes.

We aren’t going to the playoffs this season.

We have 2nd stringers as WRs and at running back and oline.

This team is officially a disaster.

 

[kerouac9]

Before I answer, please tell us if you would kerouac9. And let's say the playoff loss is similar to 2021 loss, yes.

I would say it represents progress on the rebuild but not success. I’ve been consistent that making the playoffs by itself is not a certification that the build is complete or successful.

 

[BirdGangThing]

k9 thinks we're making the playoffs

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

k9 thinks we're making the playoffs

You musta given him the good stuff

 

[BirdGangThing]

You musta given him the good stuff

right? all paranoid putting disclaimers down on possible future successes - got me hype lol!

 

[kerouac9]

k9 thinks we're making the playoffs

I’m still full cope for +140 Cards playoffs bet.

Not feeling great about my +650 division winner bet right now.

I’ll state this clearly: a playoff win or a division title is a full validation of the rebuild process. A wild card and first round exit is reason enough to keep leadership around.

Six wins or less and everyone should be on the hot seat.

 

[cardpa]

And maybe Ossenfort took this job so he can rack up some experience as a GM and then move on to a real organization that doesn't hamstring their GM due to a tight wad owner and crappy facilities. Maybe he figures if I can make this team even semi competitive, then other owners, knowing how Bidwil is, will entertain hiring me as their new GM. Wouldn't be the first time someone took a job to use it as a stepping stone to something better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And maybe Ossenfort took this job so he can rack up some experience as a GM and then move on to a real organization that doesn't hamstring their GM due to a tight wad owner and crappy facilities. Maybe he figures if I can make this team even semi competitive, then other owners, knowing how Bidwil is, will entertain hiring me as their new GM. Wouldn't be the first time someone took a job to use it as a stepping stone to something better.

if the above was his plan, than I think it only cements himself as a kind of an idiot. Who has done that and moved on to greater pastures from the Cards as a GM? This seems like a place HC and GM careers go to die, not rise from the ashes.

Graves, Keim, Ferguson… did any of those guys ever get a second shot after flaming out here as GM? Might be wrong but I don’t think so.

And with Coaches? Stallings… college, never pro. Bugel? Raiders for one painful season.. and it was the Raiders, so… not really. Buddy Ryan… nope. Tobin? Nope. Green? Nope. Wiz? Can’t remember… did he ever get one more HC gig?

Arians is the only one whoever came out of Arizona smelling like a rose and ever held the top job again.

 

[Harry]

I truly believe Harry is Michael Bidwill posting on a burner account.

You can only use a burner phone if you spend the money to but one!

 

[kerouac9]

Wiz? Can’t remember… did he ever get one more HC gig?

He spent a year and a half as HC of the Titans

 

[Cheesebeef]

He spent a year and a half as HC of the Titans

Right. I thought he might have gotten one brief shot after performing miracles for a couple years getting us to a Super Bowl and playoffs year after. That’s gotta buy a tiny bit of goodwill after working for the Bidwills.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I would say it represents progress on the rebuild but not success. I’ve been consistent that making the playoffs by itself is not a certification that the build is complete or successful.

Cool.

Presupposing a playoff birth and 10 wins, yes, I think the rebuild would be successful, even if we got thrashed in the playoff game.

The potential qualifying factor for me would be we might be in a murderers row of a division. That would make us achieving the 10-win plateau a little more laudable. I think Monti then goes all in on offense in the following offseason and we come back even better in 2026.

The five game stretch following tomorrow, IND/GB/DAL/SEA/SF might determine our fate.

1-4 (or worse) through those five and we're done.

3-2 (or better) and I really like your chances to cash that +140 ticket.

But 2-3 would leave us at 5-5 (I've got tomorrow's game in the win column already because I like to tempt fate) and still in "maybe" land.

Hope you've been doing okay K9. You coaching soccer again this year?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Don’t tell anyone that they are too focused on our defense being good (it isn’t) and our oline being good (it isn’t)

6 wins is what I am seeing out of this team with everyone being blown out at the end of the year.

You might be right. I admit there's a universe where this team wins six this year, and I agree with you with about the WR room and the o-line (overall). We still have Big Play Trey though, and he can carry some.

And I think the defense might be a little better than you're giving it credit for.

For example, even though SEA outplayed us, we could beat SF at home.

Overall I just think it's too early to start drawing conclusions either way 602 Native.

 

[slanidrac16]

We aren’t going to the playoffs this season.

We have 2nd stringers as WRs and at running back and oline.

This team is officially a disaster.

You forgot to mention the small person at Qb.

 

[oaken1]

And maybe Ossenfort took this job so he can rack up some experience as a GM and then move on to a real organization that doesn't hamstring their GM due to a tight wad owner and crappy facilities. Maybe he figures if I can make this team even semi competitive, then other owners, knowing how Bidwil is, will entertain hiring me as their new GM. Wouldn't be the first time someone took a job to use it as a stepping stone to something better.

conceptually I agree.

but we are talking the NFL...not software,

the vast majority of nfl GM's are one and done regardless of their success... Monti took this job for the simple reason that he may have never gotten another chance to be a GM

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I’m still full cope for +140 Cards playoffs bet.

Not feeling great about my +650 division winner bet right now.

I’ll state this clearly: a playoff win or a division title is a full validation of the rebuild process. A wild card and first round exit is reason enough to keep leadership around.

Six wins or less and everyone should be on the hot seat.

Seems very reasonable

 

[602 Native]

You forgot to mention the small person at Qb.

The small person has shown he can win when there is talent around him.

MO has not put reliable talent on this team in the three years he’s been GM. I fully believe this team is worst than the one last season.

 

[602 Native]

You might be right. I admit there's a universe where this team wins six this year, and I agree with you with about the WR room and the o-line (overall). We still have Big Play Trey though, and he can carry some.

And I think the defense might be a little better than you're giving it credit for.

For example, even though SEA outplayed us, we could beat SF at home.

Overall I just think it's too early to start drawing conclusions either way 602 Native.

A quarter of the season is pretty much gone. We have seen what this team is. A team that can beat really bad teams. Lose against mid team and probably get blown out against great teams.

We haven’t played a great team yet.

I hope I’m totally wrong but seeing the league so far we are nowhere near the top.

 

[WisconsinCard]

conceptually I agree.

but we are talking the NFL...not software,

the vast majority of nfl GM's are one and done regardless of their success... Monti took this job for the simple reason that he may have never gotten another chance to be a GM

GM's are just like coaches, they are hired to be fired.