I don’t get the hate

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From the Athletic

"Collins said he doesn’t know his 40-yard dash time, but a wearable GPS measured his top speed during the game-winning interception return against Tulane at 21.06 miles per hour."

For comparison DK Metcalf's top speed was clocked at 21.87 last year.

Except that completely didn't show up during his pro day, the one time he is primed for these drills. I am beyond skeptical
 

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That's where I cut the FO a teensy bit of slack. It was a bit of no man's land. That said, Keim let us know he wasn't even considering a trade down, that this was his guy, as we pretty much already knew. So, that's disappointing to me.
I really think it’s the case of BPA. Everyone has a different draft board. Pundits say he might be the best athlete at the time he was drafted, has incredible football intelligence, and is very smart—valedictorian of his hs class. I just don’t buy the “coulda been picked 10 slots later” nonsense. If he is the guy you think is best at the pick, take him. Otherwise what you are doing is making g your pick on what you think others think about the player rather than what you think.

I expect to see Simmons and this guy as our two starting ILB’s. Both Swiss Army knife type but in opposite directions. Simmons can slide back into the safety slot while zaven can slide ahead toward the d line.

I get the fact that many here do not trust Keim’s drafting ability. Most loved his draft last year, though.

I like this pick. Looks like an impact player.
 

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My real issue here is the same as Choppers. If I asked you to build a defense, middle linebacker is the last spot you address.

So this pick HAS to be more than "Decent starter" or we are just blowing up how to properly build a team.
 

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My real issue here is the same as Choppers. If I asked you to build a defense, middle linebacker is the last spot you address.

So this pick HAS to be more than "Decent starter" or we are just blowing up how to properly build a team.

ILB is one of the key piece
History told that
Urlacher, ray lewis, Patrick Willis, navorro bowman, Bobby Wagner, fred Warner, Dez white, lavonta David, there is a reason they have been or they are one of the reason their defense has been successful
 

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My real issue here is the same as Choppers. If I asked you to build a defense, middle linebacker is the last spot you address.

So this pick HAS to be more than "Decent starter" or we are just blowing up how to properly build a team.
Hmm. I always considered it one of the key positions. But it was the position I played so maybe I am biased.
 

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My real issue here is the same as Choppers. If I asked you to build a defense, middle linebacker is the last spot you address.

So this pick HAS to be more than "Decent starter" or we are just blowing up how to properly build a team.

IF the player is elite and an alpha(see Ray Lewis) it is a good start. I'm interested in seeing how his 'alpha' tag, which Keim emphasized during the presser, translates on the field and in the locker room. I'm not excited, but willing to wait before passing judgment.
 

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Against people who will never sniff a NFL field.

Blowing up production against the Harvard of the south (Tulane) is pretty pointless. It's like crowing about the one guy who is set to play in the SEC by using his small school high school tape.


Keim still has 5 more chances this weekend. :)
 

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I think a lot of people wanted the Cardinals to draft a cornerback or a wide receiver so I can see why people are disappointed.

It also didn't help the Cardinals were trying to trade down from #16 and couldn't find a taker.

It takes away from the selection.
 

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I'm not at all disappointed with the pick. The way I see it with the news coming out that he'll be a inside backer along with Simmons gives VJ a lot of set diversity. Mind you with Simmons skill set he isn't always going to be at linebacker. Heck he could possibly even line up at safety in the nickle.

With Collins while he may play some inside backer he could sometimes switch to edge rusher with that size of his. While I am a concerned about his weight I'm an optimistic one. After watching some breakdowns of him he has a HUGE upside.

Mind you he played in a 3-3-5 at Tulsa so he will be rather good in coverage with his high football IQ.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he does on the field.

I was hoping for Farely but there's still a 2nd round to maybe get Asante Samuel Jr (if he's there when we pick) or the UNC RB.
 

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My real issue here is the same as Choppers. If I asked you to build a defense, middle linebacker is the last spot you address.

So this pick HAS to be more than "Decent starter" or we are just blowing up how to properly build a team.
I agree with this. If you just met an average player at this position with the 16th pick in the draft it’s almost equivalent to a bust. An average LT? You can work with that. An average wr? You can work with it. An average cb? Same. An average ILB at 16? Huge disappointment. He has to be a difference maker. I hope he is.
 

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ILB is one of the key piece
History told that
Urlacher, ray lewis, Patrick Willis, navorro bowman, Bobby Wagner, fred Warner, Dez white, lavonta David, there is a reason they have been or they are one of the reason their defense has been successful
But they were only key pieces bc they were special. If they aren’t special they are hicks and not big difference makers.
 
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