Gannon roasted for pep talk

[dreamcastrocks]

Do you have the courage of your convictions? Let’s make a friendly wager: for every game the cards cover the spread, I’ll provide unique unqualified praise for JGMO.

If the Cards fail to cover the spread, you have to make a criticism of them.

You’re so sure they’ll exceed expectations…

Can I be in?

 

[PACardsFan]

Does "being competitive" have a quantitative definition for you then? Because "being closer than within the margin set by Vegas" seems pretty close to me. I don't know how else you'd define it.

Let’s say the Cardinals are a 6 point dog & are tied midway through the 4th quarter, but Washington scores late and wins by 7. I would consider that competitive even though they lost the point spread. I’m sure they will have a few ugly losses, as their schedule looks tough, but last year they were outscored 340-449. Regardless of their record, narrowing that spread would be a step in the right direction.

 

[AZ Native]

This thread is proof we are all looking for something, anything to talk about the Cards. Jeez, let's see how he coaches first.

 

[slanidrac16]

This poor guy doesn’t stand a chance….

 

[PACardsFan]

This thread is proof we are all looking for something, anything to talk about the Cards. Jeez, let's see how he coaches first.

I just laugh at some of the people that seemed put off by what he said. Are you kidding me lol. The Cardinals under KK were soft as $hit, undisciplined, with ZERO football IQ. We may not have enough talent this year to win enough games, but we won’t have to worry about the other 3 areas I listed.

 

[kerouac9]

Let’s say the Cardinals are a 6 point dog & are tied midway through the 4th quarter, but Washington scores late and wins by 7. I would consider that competitive even though they lost the point spread. I’m sure they will have a few ugly losses, as their schedule looks tough, but last year they were outscored 340-449. Regardless of their record, narrowing that spread would be a step in the right direction.

So you’re afraid that Gannon is going to lead the team to a late collapse and have to say one bad thing about him?

Very courageous.

 

[pemory09]

Yeah, that clip does make him look like a weird geek, but I’ll for sure be “on the bus” if we start to resemble a disciplined team with a clue.

 

[SoonerLou]

You can absolutely sense how Michael could be enamored with him.

Not everyone is as cool as Drew Petzing.

 

[schutd]

Interesting that people call posters darksiders, but those darksiders are the ones who are most frustrated by the tanking. @kerouac9 called out for being negative when he has spoken up against this idea of intentionally losing and the person who is calling him out, the ultimate homer @PACardsFan , is fine with the Cardinals intentionally losing this year in hopes of the future promise of winning.

Can one know they are going to lose, but still argue they aren't doing it intentionally? I kind of think so.

From a business standpoint, MO is trying to set this team up for long term success ( I believe). The business side of that requires a massive roster reset, along with ensuring near term financial flexibility, and maneuvering for an ample amount of draft picks to try and lower the curve to return to competitiveness. The business side take priority over the winning-the-games side of it for a year to be that measn to the end.

You call it tanking. Maybe, but that word infers something way more nefarious than I think is going on. To me, tanking is something one does for one's own personal gain. This team is taking some severe lumps this year, in order to ensure they can start fresh, and build with players that they want to have be a part of it, not the leftovers from the previous regime.

You guys say intentionally losing, I say the losing is a by-product of the process.

 

[Garthshort]

These posts do remind me of the Succession program when the head of the Clan, in speaking of his children said, "These are not serious people". Or something to that effect.

 

[TheCardFan]

You guys say intentionally losing, I say the losing is a by-product of the process.

Tanking

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[Krangodnzr]

Interesting that people call posters darksiders, but those darksiders are the ones who are most frustrated by the tanking. @kerouac9 called out for being negative when he has spoken up against this idea of intentionally losing and the person who is calling him out, the ultimate homer @PACardsFan , is fine with the Cardinals intentionally losing this year in hopes of the future promise of winning.

I know you are addressing PACardsFan, but I would say my feelings on tanking goes like this:

I don't want the team to tank, but it's inevitable from all the moves made, so I might as well accept it. Nothing I say can stop it.

It's kind of like a root canal. You know the surgery is going to suck, but the pain right now will go away. There is no full promise it's going to work, but it's a better option than what is currently going on.

I read @kerouac9 saying he thought they could have been in the hunt this year, but I think that's a Kool aid proposition. I don't think it would have been possible except for the most extreme of situations and even then, the roster makeup would have made it unsustainable long term.

Even during the 10-2 start, if you go back and look, I was saying the team wasn't sustainable because of the finances and build of the team. It was always headed this way.

 

[lobo]

Can one know they are going to lose, but still argue they aren't doing it intentionally? I kind of think so.

From a business standpoint, MO is trying to set this team up for long term success ( I believe). The business side of that requires a massive roster reset, along with ensuring near term financial flexibility, and maneuvering for an ample amount of draft picks to try and lower the curve to return to competitiveness. The business side take priority over the winning-the-games side of it for a year to be that measn to the end.

You call it tanking. Maybe, but that word infers something way more nefarious than I think is going on. To me, tanking is something one does for one's own personal gain. This team is taking some severe lumps this year, in order to ensure they can start fresh, and build with players that they want to have be a part of it, not the leftovers from the previous regime.

You guys say intentionally losing, I say the losing is a by-product of the process.

Well said. Actually there are some of the posters who experience schadenfreude that probably extends a lot further than rooting for sports team. Sad...real fluffing sad.

 

[PJ1]

Can one know they are going to lose, but still argue they aren't doing it intentionally? I kind of think so.

From a business standpoint, MO is trying to set this team up for long term success ( I believe). The business side of that requires a massive roster reset, along with ensuring near term financial flexibility, and maneuvering for an ample amount of draft picks to try and lower the curve to return to competitiveness. The business side take priority over the winning-the-games side of it for a year to be that measn to the end.

You call it tanking. Maybe, but that word infers something way more nefarious than I think is going on. To me, tanking is something one does for one's own personal gain. This team is taking some severe lumps this year, in order to ensure they can start fresh, and build with players that they want to have be a part of it, not the leftovers from the previous regime.

You guys say intentionally losing, I say the losing is a by-product of the process.

Agree. The path chosen to make this team a winner creates short term pain with the hopes of building a winner in the future. You can disagree with it and I am certainly not sold on it but as you say it is a by product of the process.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Every game day thread?

The over/under has to be 15.5 at a minimum.

 

[kerouac9]

The business side of that requires a massive roster reset, along with ensuring near term financial flexibility, and maneuvering for an ample amount of draft picks to try and lower the curve to return to competitiveness.

This assumes facts not in evidence. We went into free agency with top 5 cap space. You can torture syntax as much as you like, but we planned to be bad, we likely will be bad, and we maybe only have one or two building blocks for the future.

 

[BritCard]

This whole Twitter storm in a teacup was just dumb. Seeing people I respected jump on the bandwagon made me reconsider my opinion of them.

Has nobody ever seen Mike McCarthy or Andy Reid do these things? Or for that matter practically every coach. How about we just let him coach and stop nit picking?

 

[Krangodnzr]

This assumes facts not in evidence. We went into free agency with top 5 cap space. You can torture syntax as much as you like, but we planned to be bad, we likely will be bad, and we maybe only have one or two building blocks for the future.

The Cardinals had $30 million or so going into free agency, but that kind of money doesn't really buy all that much and requires some pushing money into the future year.

I think if I took the job as Arizona Cardinals GM with the situation earlier this year, I would probably have done a lot of what Monti did. He has a QB coming off a significant injury and with significant questions on whether he is the QB of the future...and also said QB just signed a big extension.

So unless you are 100% committed to Murray, you would need to plan for his replacement. That means you have to prepare for a big cap hit in the coming years. How is it a viable way cap wise to trade Murray and still field a viable team? Not commit long term dollars to players and roll over cap space.

This process is likely to suck for us, but how will we feel when the Cardinals draft Maye/Williams and another key building block and trade Murray for draft capital? Murray's contract will look great to any team trading for him and that should increase his trade value.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This whole Twitter storm in a teacup was just dumb. Seeing people I respected jump on the bandwagon made me reconsider my opinion of them.

Has nobody ever seen Mike McCarthy or Andy Reid do these things? Or for that matter practically every coach. How about we just let him coach and stop nit picking?

Just looking for more things to criticize per usual.

 

[kerouac9]

This process is likely to suck for us, but how will we feel when the Cardinals draft Maye/Williams and another key building block and trade Murray for draft capital? Murray's contract will look great to any team trading for him and that should increase his trade value.

Imagine thinking that Monti Ossenfort will be able to trade veteran players for valueable draft capital at this point. Talk about assuming facts not in evidence.

We have less comparative cap space in 2024 than we did going into 2023, but whatever. Trust the process.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Imagine thinking that Monti Ossenfort will be able to trade veteran players for valueable draft capital at this point. Talk about assuming facts not in evidence.

We have less comparative cap space in 2024 than we did going into 2023, but whatever. Trust the process.

So the 37 players signed for 2024 and $73 million available is less than they had this year?

They only have $8 million in dead money for next year, thus far.

 

[kerouac9]

So the 37 players signed for 2024 and $73 million available is less than they had this year?

They only have $8 million in dead money for next year, thus far.

Free agents aren't signed in a vacuum; you have to compete for them. We went from being top 5 in cap space to somewhere outside the top 10.

We have enough 2024 cap space to move on from Kyler Murray, but not enough to probably take a leap forward unless all our draft picks from this year and next work out.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Free agents aren't signed in a vacuum; you have to compete for them. We went from being top 5 in cap space to somewhere outside the top 10.

We have enough 2024 cap space to move on from Kyler Murray, but not enough to probably take a leap forward unless all our draft picks from this year and next work out.

They have 7th most cap space for 2024. All of that could change, higher or lower, depending on what they and other teams do with contract extensions and cuts throughout the 2023 league year.

NFL 2024 Salary Cap Tracker

A real-time look at the 2024 salary cap totals for each NFL team, including estimated cap space.

www.spotrac.com

 

[BritCard]

They have 7th most cap space for 2024. All of that could change, higher or lower, depending on what they and other teams do with contract extensions and cuts throughout the 2023 league year.

NFL 2024 Salary Cap Tracker

A real-time look at the 2024 salary cap totals for each NFL team, including estimated cap space.

www.spotrac.com

Pretty sure that doesn't include rollover either. Currently we have the 2nd most to rollover.

Also doesn;t include moving on from Ertz and/or Conner.

 

[BritCard]

Free agents aren't signed in a vacuum; you have to compete for them. We went from being top 5 in cap space to somewhere outside the top 10.

We have enough 2024 cap space to move on from Kyler Murray, but not enough to probably take a leap forward unless all our draft picks from this year and next work out.

We aren't competing against all teams for all players though.

If we are 5th in cap space it doesn't mean the 4 teams above us are after the same CB or same DT. They might be set at thos epositions, or have a scheme that doesn't fit.

TBH, I'm not a big fan of free agency in general. I'd rather build through draft and trades. It's rare to sign an FA that's great, most of them turn out to be just ok players. With guys who's deals have expired anyway, guy that get cut for cap reasons are a different story (Watt, Nuk etc).

I think if we go out and blow our wad on 6 "good FA's" next year 1-2 might be "good", 2 will be average and 2 will be poor.