Fire Petzing now

[Chopper0080]

How much is on Petz and how much is on Kyler? It's very hard to tell. I'd say both equally.

What I put on Kyler is capitulating to his awful OC. Other than that, I feel like he has delivered on what he has been asked to do. I gave Kyler a C to C+ is game 1 and a B to B- is game 2. I view Kyler as a 12-16ish QB in the league. I feel like he has played to that level. Maybe that changes when he is put into situations where he has to do more, but that hasn't been the case so far this season.

Petzing is in year 3 of his scheme and the running game has gotten worse, he doesn't prioritize getting the #4 pick overall involved, and shows nothing creative in his scheme.

 

[Chopper0080]

are kyler and marvelous good enough to beat coverages from defenses primarily designed to stop them? because they weren't concentrating on trey the same way

It's less Kyler and Marv and more of the scheme. Is Petzing going to move MHJ around? Is he going to vary the routes MHJ runs? Can he scheme combination routes which force teams to pick and choose between MHJ and McBride.

Look at MHJ's two receptions in the game. Both were crossers which everyone knows is a strength of MHJs and they both led to receptions of like 10+ (i think). His one deep route led to a 38 yards PI. He had one really bad drop. He had a red zone fade which is a low % end zone route to begin with.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

It's less Kyler and Marv and more of the scheme. Is Petzing going to move MHJ around? Is he going to vary the routes MHJ runs? Can he scheme combination routes which force teams to pick and choose between MHJ and McBride.

Look at MHJ's two receptions in the game. Both were crossers which everyone knows is a strength of MHJs and they both led to receptions of like 10+ (i think). His one deep route led to a 38 yards PI. He had one really bad drop. He had a red zone fade which is a low % end zone route to begin with.

i agree - teams try to stop nabers same way as marvelous but aren't nearly as successful - nabers gets to run funner routes tho

 

[TJ]

It's less Kyler and Marv and more of the scheme. Is Petzing going to move MHJ around? Is he going to vary the routes MHJ runs? Can he scheme combination routes which force teams to pick and choose between MHJ and McBride.

Look at MHJ's two receptions in the game. Both were crossers which everyone knows is a strength of MHJs and they both led to receptions of like 10+ (i think). His one deep route led to a 38 yards PI. He had one really bad drop. He had a red zone fade which is a low % end zone route to begin with.

On that fade, it was a great arm placement by the DB. Had MHJ fought through, it wouldve been OPI.

 

[Chopper0080]

On that fade, it was a great arm placement by the DB. Had MHJ fought through, it wouldve been OPI.

Where I quibble is MHJ is sprinting out of his break and rightfully has to do a 180 to get the ball on his outside shoulder (which is where it should have been). Now he is also expected to stop on a dime and go back towards the ball to high point it? Could he have played it better? Probably. Could Kyler have throw it a little better? Probably. But the nature of the route is why it is such a low % pass.

I can't remember if his alignment was in the slot or outside on that play. Just such a small space to get separation and be able to adjust the route to use his size.

 

[Mr X]

That fade I thought was a bad pass by Murray. He needs to throw it up for Marv to high point.

 

[602 Native]

This is 100% accurate.

EDIT: the tweet is accurate. I think more people on the board know this than you state.

You should probably read my post again and adjust this.

Ill wait.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

On that fade, it was a great arm placement by the DB. Had MHJ fought through, it wouldve been OPI.

Yeah it was actually pretty good coverage and play by the DB. I don't have a huge problem with that incompletion.

It's hard so say something like "well Larry Fitz would have got it" or "2020 DHop would have got it". Maybe, but who knows for sure.

 

[602 Native]

Let’s fire Petzing. So what if it takes Kyler 2 years to learn the new offense.

P Guy won't be a OC after being released here.
K1 will for sure be a starter in some other system if we jettison him after this season.

No one is saying K1 is some Super Bowl winning QB but damn we are not utilizing him and many others in this offense.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

That fade I thought was a bad pass by Murray. He needs to throw it up for Marv to high point.

im just over fades

 

[Chopper0080]

You should probably read my post again and adjust this.

Ill wait.

You said "everyone outside of this board knows" and I feel there are many on this board who know as well.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah it was actually pretty good coverage and play by the DB. I don't have a huge problem with that incompletion.

It's hard so say something like "well Larry Fitz would have got it" or "2020 DHop would have got it". Maybe, but who knows for sure.

You are spitting some facts here.

 

[602 Native]

My statement has little to do with the board and more to do with the average fan watching this train wreck. IE everyone knows outside the board not everyone knows here.

You said "everyone outside of this board knows" and I feel there are many on this board who know as well.

 

[Chopper0080]

im just over fades

100% for MHJ. Have we throw one to McBride? Complete negligence to not have him as the single receiver to one side, flexed out, and make the defense figure out how to guard that. That is the fade route or option route I want to see.

Can you imagine an offense that has McBride flexed out to the left running a fade or option route, and trips to the right with MHJ in the slot running a post to exploit the middle of the field, Jones next to him running a corner, and Wilson out wide running a drag underneath. An easy NFL pass concept that the Cardinals have the personnel to run.

 

[Chopper0080]

My statement has little to do with the board and more to do with the average fan watching this train wreck. IE everyone knows outside the board not everyone knows here.

Ok.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Look at MHJ's two receptions in the game. Both were crossers which everyone knows is a strength of MHJs and they both led to receptions of like 10+ (i think). His one deep route led to a 38 yards PI. He had one really bad drop. He had a red zone fade which is a low % end zone route to begin with.

Yeah on one of those crossing route catches he actually broke a tackle and picked up another 7 or 8 yards of YAC.

More of those please!

 

[TJ]

P Guy won't be a OC after being released here.
K1 will for sure be a starter in some other system if we jettison him after this season.

No one is saying K1 is some Super Bowl winning QB but damn we are not utilizing him and many others in this offense.

Aside from an option offense, there arent very many offenses that fit Kyler's skill set better than Drew's.

 

[602 Native]

im just over fades

In a short yardage goal line situation when a WR doesn't get separation (MHJ) a fade seems to be the only option. I don't know if that is always the case with MHJ but man that guy seems to be covered a lot when the ball comes to him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Aside from an option offense, there arent very many offenses that fit Kyler's skill set better than Drew's.

This was more true when the Cardinals were able to run the ball. Petzing seems to have had little to do with that.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

In a short yardage goal line situation when a WR doesn't get separation (MHJ) a fade seems to be the only option. I don't know if that is always the case with MHJ but man that guy seems to be covered a lot when the ball comes to him.

that's so 2008 - we saw marvelous line up just last week - breaking across the field and getting separation resulting in a touch down

 

[Chopper0080]

In a short yardage goal line situation when a WR doesn't get separation (MHJ) a fade seems to be the only option. I don't know if that is always the case with MHJ but man that guy seems to be covered a lot when the ball comes to him.

IMO there doesn't seem to be a lot of option routes in the scheme. You would hope that you would have a slant/fade option if you are going to isolate any receiver out wide.

 

[oaken1]

Where I quibble is MHJ is sprinting out of his break and rightfully has to do a 180 to get the ball on his outside shoulder (which is where it should have been). Now he is also expected to stop on a dime and go back towards the ball to high point it? Could he have played it better? Probably. Could Kyler have throw it a little better? Probably. But the nature of the route is why it is such a low % pass.

I can't remember if his alignment was in the slot or outside on that play. Just such a small space to get separation and be able to adjust the route to use his size.

feel free to corrrect me here...but that fade is supposed to be thrown out of bounds...so if the WR cant drag it in then nobody can.
being behind the WR and low, totally defeats the functional processes of a fade.
unless we are thinking of different plays?

 

[Chopper0080]

feel free to corrrect me here...but that fade is supposed to be thrown out of bounds...so if the WR cant drag it in then nobody can.
being behind the WR and low, totally defeats the functional processes of a fade.
unless we are thinking of different plays?

It's a QB/WR reading leverage. Or at least it should be. If QB/WR read leverage to the boundary, the QB throws a jump ball. If QB/WR read inside leverage, throw it to the sideline for a toe tap. If heads up, go with what the QB/WR prefer.

That's how I was taught regarding iso fades inside the 5.

 

[602 Native]

IMO there doesn't seem to be a lot of option routes in the scheme. You would hope that you would have a slant/fade option if you are going to isolate any receiver out wide.

I honestly can't remember if we have seen MHJ run a slant route especially at the goal line.

 

[BritCard]

I don't think Petzing is the problem, but I hope they fire him just so we can get someone else in, see the exact same issues, and FINALLY accept it's not the OC.

Well, everyone except the 5 Kyler homers.