Brissett pedigree showing

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Total pitchforks if K1 does that back to back.

Some of you fans seriously hate the dude.
Those plays were both just disheartening. if you can't allow your QB to simply make throws, what shot do you have? The overall body of work is where I'm easing up off of Jacoby a bit, but I would have given k1 the same grace. 7 had a bad game for sure, but the two plays that magnified the difference between us and the hags and let me know we had zero chance for a win that day and were indictments of that Swiss cheese offensive line. I refuse to say otherwise. Twice? TWICE? SMDH.

Not saying you're talking to me specifically bro, (not a Kyler hater fwiw) I'm just giving my own perspective.
 

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K1 is supposedly "generational" and JB is a career journeyman backup. Not hard to understand.
Well, it seems to be for some with KDS (Kyler Deification Syndrome). But, it is understandable that the Kyler stans would object to the constant "if Kyler was playing he wouldn't have made that throw/play" every time JB did something good. Equally as bad is the "too bad Kyler dropped that pass" kind of crap when that happens in a game.

To paraphrase the late Denny Green "Brissett is who we thought he was." No big mystery there.
 

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Well, it seems to be for some with KDS (Kyler Deification Syndrome). But, it is understandable that the Kyler stans would object to the constant "if Kyler was playing he wouldn't have made that throw/play" every time JB did something good. Equally as bad is the "too bad Kyler dropped that pass" kind of crap when that happens in a game.

To paraphrase the late Denny Green "Brissett is who we thought he was." No big mystery there.
lol love the backtracking and gloss the KDS Crew puts over their posts the past 4 weeks in regards to JB. Not only does JB get every excuse in the book, he actually gets context to what he’s dealing w in regards to coaching and surrounding personal.

Somehow Kyler doesn’t play and the focus is still dumping on him rather than dumping on the variables around him.

Both, the team and Kyler should move on because they are an awful fit… yet at the same time - as said many times before even last game.. what QB would have sustained success not only this year but in the entire tenure of MO/JG/SP Era? Absolutely no QB. Not even Mighty Mahomes - and no KDS pleas don’t twist this and put words in my mouth that I am comparing Kyler to Mahomes. I’m very obviously saying that Mahomes would not succeed with any consistency under this regime. Pretty simple to understand but surely you’ll twist it someway, somehow.
 

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You're comparing the results of 7 years to 4 games. So of course any rational person would give the benefit of the doubt to a person who has QB'd the team for 4 games. Just my opinion.
He's career back up for a reason.


Josh Dobbs, anyone?
 

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I cant believe people are defending K1. Can you not see the difference of not being able to play behind center, use playaction and deliver the ball on time while operating the pocket? Whatever JB has done/not done doesn't absolve Kyler from that.

He's had numerous chances and had the absolute best coach for his style in Kingsbury and still couldn't make it work.
 

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I cant believe people are defending K1. Can you not see the difference of not being able to play behind center, use playaction and deliver the ball on time while operating the pocket? Whatever JB has done/not done doesn't absolve Kyler from that.

He's had numerous chances and had the absolute best coach for his style in Kingsbury and still couldn't make it work.
Yeah thats the difference in play we’re seeing but I’m not convinced that under center is inherently better than shotgun or pistol.
 

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in the alternate world where K1 started that game --

He probably just eats the ball on both of the sack/fumble / tds -- so there is that. The offense doesnt do much otherwise

As a result, its 21-0 at halftime

and they go on to lose 35-7 or something.
 

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in the alternate world where K1 started that game --

He probably just eats the ball on both of the sack/fumble / tds -- so there is that. The offense doesnt do much otherwise

As a result, its 21-0 at halftime

and they go on to lose 35-7 or something.
Yet Kyler led the Cardinals to a comeback in the prior game against Seattle.

Seattle would have had to play contain. Brissett is a sitting duck that allowed Seattle to blitz and pressure him.
 

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Yet Kyler led the Cardinals to a comeback in the prior game against Seattle.

Seattle would have had to play contain. Brissett is a sitting duck that allowed Seattle to blitz and pressure him.
No, he didn't. Leading to a comeback would be a win, or at the very least a winning position. Kyler led the team to a temporary tie. That is not a peg to hang your hat on here.
 

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Yet Kyler led the Cardinals to a comeback in the prior game against Seattle.

Seattle would have had to play contain. Brissett is a sitting duck that allowed Seattle to blitz and pressure him.
the diff was that the defense was much better in game 1 than game 2
 

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No, he didn't. Leading to a comeback would be a win, or at the very least a winning position. Kyler led the team to a temporary tie. That is not a peg to hang your hat on here.
How is that not a winnable position?

All the kicking team had to do was NOT let Seattle start on the 40, and the defense not give up a 22 yard completion and it would have gone to OT.
 

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He's career back up for a reason.


Josh Dobbs, anyone?
I don't think anyone would debate that point with you. He is obviously a career back up for a reason. But that career back up is out preforming the former number 1 pick.

Continuing to debate who is better is a waste if time. Time for the "Stans" to move on. Let it go Kyler is done in AZ and most likely he becomes a career back up somewhere but I doubt his ego could survive that hit
 

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I don't think anyone would debate that point with you. He is obviously a career back up for a reason. But that career back up is out preforming the former number 1 pick.

Continuing to debate who is better is a waste if time. Time for the "Stans" to move on. Let it go Kyler is done in AZ and most likely he becomes a career back up somewhere but I doubt his ego could survive that hit
This. I'm good with it. I'll keep my opinion of K1 to myself from here on out being that a divorce is imminent. We got other things to worry about moving forward.
 

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How is that not a winnable position?

All the kicking team had to do was NOT let Seattle start on the 40, and the defense not give up a 22 yard completion and it would have gone to OT.
So, in other words, it would not have won the game? Maybe in futureverse OT, he could've done a bit extra to win the game.
 

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How is that not a winnable position?

All the kicking team had to do was NOT let Seattle start on the 40, and the defense not give up a 22 yard completion and it would have gone to OT.
And we likely would have lost in OT. :D
 

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Because Rallis would refuse to blitz and Putz calls four straight middle runs
A truly generational QBOTF could overcome those decisions on offense, change the plays after looking at what the defense was giving him, and get it done, so, you're probably right.
 

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A truly generational QBOTF could overcome those decisions on offense, change the plays after looking at what the defense was giving him, and get it done, so, you're probably right.
No one is calling Kyler a truly generational player.

They’re only a few of those in the NFL right now

But keep on defending the horrible coaching staff you don’t have a clue on either offense, defense or special teams
 
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