Ask yourself this...

[kerouac9]

Can’t agree here. Bowles helped improve Mayfield. I don’t think he suddenly got better, he just learned and grew. Sure a good QB is critical, but lots of teams have lost with good QBs. Ask Dan Marino.

Mayfield also got private coaching during the offseason to improve his mechanics.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think McCarthy is a bum, without Rodgers he doesnt win a thing. If Bidwill was serious he would keep Gannon and Rallis around and bring in a loaded Offensive staff.

My pick would be Adams from Dallas and draft a QB and o lineman and RB. Let rallis and JG continue to develop defense

So you prefer another rookie head coach with zero head coaching experience to replace the rookie head coach with zero head coaching experience? That's an interesting take.

 

[kerouac9]

So you prefer another rookie head coach with zero head coaching experience to replace the rookie head coach with zero head coaching experience? That's an interesting take.

I think the Cards are so bad they need to make high-variance plays early and often until something works. I think that’s what the did with Kyler; I think that’s what they did with Carson Palmer; that’s what they did with Kurt Warner.

Monti hitting 205-yard drives down the middle is doing nothing for us, especially when the rest of the division is so far ahead. You just have to be prepared to fold quickly if it’s not working.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think the Cards are so bad they need to make high-variance plays early and often until something works. I think that’s what the did with Kyler; I think that’s what they did with Carson Palmer; that’s what they did with Kurt Warner.

Monti hitting 205-yard drives down the middle is doing nothing for us, especially when the rest of the division is so far ahead. You just have to be prepared to fold quickly if it’s not working.

If they replace Gannon, that will be 3 consecutive failed HC hires, that had zero previous HC experience. Wilks, KK, JG. What's that they say about insanity?

 

[kerouac9]

If they replace Gannon, that will be 3 consecutive failed HC hires, that had zero previous HC experience. Wilks, KK, JG. What's that they say about insanity?

KK made the playoffs. Putting him in the same class as Wilkes and Gannon is deranged.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think he can be a great coach

Based on exactly what in this 3 year sample size? He's proven to be a likeable guy, but a very bad coach!

 

[Chopper0080]

This team is much better. Evident from the list.

Benson is better than Eno. Eno was a 7th round washout.
McBride is much better
Nuk has been a corpse since he left here, as has Hollywood.
PJJ is better than Hump
Hudson was always injured and was well past his prime. Fro has been good and reliable.
Dalvin is far better than Leki.
Year 1 Walted Nolen is far better than even year 3 Zach Allen.
Sweat over Golden is a no brainer.
Kennard was ass. Zaven is solid. In fact that whole room is far better.
Simmons was ass.
Mack Wilson is better than Zaven at ILB
I never liked Murphy, I think Williams is better
Marco was ass, Will J far better

The only player I'd swap for 2022 is JJ Watt. Calais has been awesome and I love him but JJ Watt could play 70% of snaps.

The guys behind the starters are also far better.

Yeah...you view it differently.

Benson has done nothing in his career. At this point Benson is a 3rd round washout. Benjamin had 666 yards from scrimmage in his first two years. Benson has had 574.

Hopkins had 79.7 yards per game in 2022. MHJ has 59.4 this year.

Marquise Brown had 59.1 yards per game in 2022. Wilson has 47.5 this year.

PJJ is a wash with Humphries at this point. If there are slight differences, neither of us have the access to separate the two.

Fro is healthier than Hudson was in 2022. That's about it.

Walter Nolen has not reached 2022 Zach Allen. Allen had 25 pressures and 5.5 sacks. 660 snaps. Nolen has 4 pressures and 1 sack on 101 snaps.

Murphy and GWill are a wash. Again, we don't have the necessary info to separate those two players.

So...outside of your vibes analysis, none of what you said in relation to the above players is accurate.

Dalvin is better.
Sweat is better.
Will J for the 7 games he has played, has been better.
Mack Wilson is better.
Zaven Collins at EDGE is better.

That's pretty much it after 3 off-seasons of work. I can quibble about Pugh and AJ Green being better than Evan Brown and Zay Jones but it is Hudson/Fro quibbling.

 

[Chopper0080]

I’ll take the current roster except at WR

The point is that it is a close debate. In year 3. Compared to a team that went 4-13.

 

[Chopper0080]

KK made the playoffs. Putting him in the same class as Wilkes and Gannon is deranged.

And Kliff had a .432 win%

Wilks .188
Gannon .326

 

[Chopper0080]

I think he can be a great coach (Vrabel has much more experience) and as this franchise does not normally attract the best talent I'd still rather stick with a guy that I think can be great, than role the dice on another Kliff or Steve Wilks. And I want to see him with a QB that he chooses.

This is wild. You are arguing that the roster is good. Gannon can be good.

In fact, you are arguing that Gannon is a better coach than Kliff, despite Kliff having a .100+ better winning %. That Monti's roster is better than Keim's 2022 roster even though the 2022 roster won 4 games and the Cardinals currently have only won 3.

And, the biggest factor holding back Gannon/Monti is Kyler, the exact QB that Kliff had when he posted a better winning % and took the team to the playoffs.

But by all means, don't let these facts get in the way.

 

[kerouac9]

He's proven to be a likeable guy

Citation needed

 

[Mulli]

Citation needed

Gets along great with Petzing?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

KK made the playoffs. Putting him in the same class as Wilkes and Gannon is deranged.

Is he still a HC? He failed and that's all that matters at this point. Also, it's Wilks. lol

I keep seeing people wanting to hire Adams as HC? Why on Earth would we trust the keys to the kingdom (even if the kingdom is like a 3rd world country) to another person with zero HC experience and also very little coordinator experience, like Wilks and Gannon? I wouldn't give him the keys to Candyland. If you can pry him from Dallas as OC with an inflated title, fine, but no way to HC.

 

[gimpy]

Well, Gannon and company are no longer inexperienced. They have 2 1/2 years of experience. They seem to have not shown much learning, though, to be considered good experienced coaches. Maybe I just should leave out the word good?

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Please tell me how many “ loaded offensive coaches” are going to want to come to this ship storm?
You think Adams is going to come here for anything less than a head coach position?

Money talks, ******** walks.

Also yes, I would hire Adams as coach. That was the point of my post. LOL

 

[BritCard]

15-31

Meaningless. 9 games of Josh Dobbs and we both think Kyler is mediocre (at best).

Mike Vrabel has a losing record with bad QB's too. As does practically every coach.

 

[BritCard]

Disagree. Look at the Cards roster in 2013, 2014, and even 2015. Look at the 2021 roster. Look at the Bengals super bowl roster. Look at the Commanders NFC Championship roster last year which is basically the same as the very bad Commanders this year without Daniels.

The common denominator here is that you get a good QB and it elevates everything. (The Cards 2021 roster was elevated by 7-8 games where Kyler was legit great).

The Patriots have been playing great football. The schedule thing is bogus. Yes, it's been an easy schedule but winning 10 straight is not easy against any teams, even the worst teams in the league can still beat you (Look at Panthers - Rams).

I wrote this wrong. I said elevate. I don't think that's the right word.

It's more that the QB is 75% of winning. You can have the best roster, or a roster full of talent, a great HC and still suck without a QB. I think the Browns have a pretty good roster right now, probably better than the Bears and Patriots, but without a QB it's meaningless.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Citation needed

Arizona Cardinals Report Card 2025

nflpa.com

 

[BritCard]

The Cardinals are not a good coached team. Who gives a dam if they like the coach. The bottom line is winning. Three years of losing is enough for any team. Just watch the Cardinals in every game's 4th quarter, they are out-coached and lose. Todd Boyles knew what the key plays were and was ready for them.

Players don't like bad coaches.

 

[Harry]

Mayfield also got private coaching during the offseason to improve his mechanics.

Lots of people do.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Players don't like bad coaches.

Arizona Cardinals Report Card 2025

nflpa.com

Bull.

 

[Harry]

If they replace Gannon, that will be 3 consecutive failed HC hires, that had zero previous HC experience. Wilks, KK, JG. What's that they say about insanity?

Ask Cleveland!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I honestly think our roster is in a decent spot aside from some obvious holes. I’ve been really back and forth on whether Gannon is the guy for us. I used to think the team hadn’t quit on him, which seemed obvious by us keeping these games close that we’re losing.

My new thought though, is that maybe the roster is actually pretty solid and that’s why we’re staying in these games - not necessarily because of him. Maybe a different coach gets a lot more out of the talent we already have.

Look at the impact Drake Maye has made on that Patriots team.

Only Cardinals fans could be torn about guys that (likely) lead us to a cumulative 16-35 record over three years.

That said, addressing the roster: it’s not good. It is likely keeping us in games. But there’s nothing to hang your hat on. This isn’t a defensive team. This isn’t a smash mouth running team. This isn’t a greatest show on turf. It’s a lot of mediocrity dotted with some good, but not great, players. But the ultimate downfall for Monti isn’t overall roster talent imo, it’s one glaring issue . . . the offensive line. These were his guys. This was the line he built. That’s all, imo, that’s needed to make a determination about his role. And it ain’t good.

 

[BritCard]

Can’t agree here. Bowles helped improve Mayfield. I don’t think he suddenly got better, he just learned and grew. Sure a good QB is critical, but lots of teams have lost with good QBs. Ask Dan Marino.

I wouldn't say lots. Some teams have won with mediocre QBs but far less than those with good QB's.

Disagree on Bowles. He's been good with good QB's and bad with bad QB's. This is a pattern that follows all coaches, even the very best.

 

[Harry]

And Kliff had a .432 win%

Wilks .188
Gannon .326

I guess there are degrees of failure but losing the majority of your games is failure personified