Arizona Cardinals 2012 Over/Unders

[kerouac9]

Thanks, Duckjake, for reminding me that this was fun last year.

With about a week remaining until the start of training camp, and all that will entail, I wanted to get on record--and allow our groupthink community to get on record--about individual and team performance for the 2012 season.

Even I'm not immune to preseason excitement, but I'm going to try and be as fair as possible in setting expectations for the new year.

I'll start with the offense, then I'll do the defense, then special teams and bottom-of-roster. These are designed to be "middles", not ceilings or floors for production. Place your bets, lady (let's be real about it) and gentlemen.

OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5
Completion %: 62.5
Yards: 2800
TDs: 19.5
INTs: 9.5

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5
Completion %: 60
Yards: 2200
TDs: 11.5
INTs: 11.5

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5
Attempts: 230
Yards: 950
TDs: 9

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5
Attempts: 120
Rushing Yards: 750
Receptions: 24.5
Receiving Yards: 200
TDs: 4.5

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5
Receptions: 9.5

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75
Yards: 1450
TDs: 9.5

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60
Yards: 600
TDs: 4

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45
Yards: 500
TDs: 4

Michael Floyd
Games: 12
Starts: 4.5
Receptions: 39.5
Yards: 450
TDs: 4

Todd Heap
Games: 11.5
Starts: 8.5
Receptions: 20
TDs: 1.5

Jeff King
Receptions: 20
TDs: 1.5

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5
TDs: 2.5

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5
Blown blocks: 11.5

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5

Remember, guys, these are for entertainment purposes only. Get on the record now...

 

[kerouac9]

Defensive Over/Unders

Darnell Dockett
Tackles: 55
Sacks: 4.5

Dan Williams
Games: 13.5
Starts: 11.5
Tackles: 30
Sacks: 2.5

Calais Campbell
Tackles: 70
Sacks: 6.5

David Carter
Tackles: 20
Sacks: 2.5

Sam Acho
Tackles: 55
Sacks: 8.5

O'Brien Schofield
Tackles: 45
Sacks: 5.5

Clark Haggans
Tackles: 30
Sacks: 2.5

Stewart Bradley
Starts: 5.5
Tackles: 40
Sacks: 2.5

Daryl Washington
Tackles: 110
Sacks: 4.5
Passes Defensed: 8.5
INTs: 2.5
Threads calling out K9 for not immediately falling in love with: 4.5

Paris Lenon
Starts: 12.5
Tackles: 90
Sacks: 2.5
Passes Defensed: 2.5

Kerry Rhodes
Starts: 13.5
Tackles: 80
INTs: 3.5

Adrian Wilson
Tackles: 80
Sacks: 2.5
INTs: 1.5
Passes defensed: 11.5

Patrick Peterson
Sacks: 0.5
INTs: 2.5
Passes defensed: 14.5

Greg Toler
Starts: 6.5
INTs: 1.5
Passes defensed: 10.5

William Gay
Starts: 6.5
INTs: 0.5
Passes defensed: 11.5

Jamell Fleming
Starts: 5.5
INTs: 0.5
Passes defensed: 7.5

 

[kerouac9]

Special Teams Over/Unders, Season/Team Performance, & Roster-making

Jay Feeley
FG %: 84.5
Touchback %: 34.5

LaRod Stephens-Howling
KRet Average: 25
KRet TDs: 0.5

Patrick Peterson
Punt Returns: 39.5
Yards per Return: 16.5
Return TDs: 2.5

Wins: 7.5
Offensive Ranking: 17.5
Defensive Ranking: 15.5
Division Ranking: 2.5

To Make Active Roster:
Ryan Lindley - Yes
Richard Bartel - No
Michael Adams - Yes
D'Anthony Batiste - No
Justin Bethel - No
Crezdon Butler - Yes
Jim Dray - Yes
Marshay Green - No
Quentin Groves - Yes
A.J. Jefferson - No
Senio Kelemete - Yes
Marcus McGraw - Yes
Nate Potter - Yes
DeMarco Sampson - Yes
James Sanders - No
Alfonso Smith - No
Quan Sturdivant - No
Stephen Williams - No

 

[Shane]

120 for 750 for Williams??? Definitely absolutely under. Thats some high margin #s for a guy coming off his injury. That equates to over 6 yards per carry. No freaking way at all.

 

[Shane]

Sacks Acho will be under @ 7.5 IMO

Schofield will surprise and be over with 9 IMO

Post more opinions later when I don't have to go to work.

 

[Duckjake]

Fitzgerald at almost 20 yards per reception! That would be awesome.

 

[kerouac9]

Goodness gracious, guys. These aren't predictions, and they're not even intended to be taken in concert with one another.

At 120 rushing attempts, Ryan Williams would have fewer than Tim Tebow had in 2011. 30 less than Roy Helu in Washington. 14 fewer than Ryan Grant in Green Bay!

750 yards would be good for 26th in the NFL last year, behind time-sharing backs like Jonathan Stewart but ahead of BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Ahmad Bradshaw. I was told for the last 15 months that Ryan Williams is AWESOME. Do people believe in him, or not?

EDIT: I'll place my bets probably tomorrow. I'd love to see what props you guys are interested in and where you fall on them.

 

[Shane]

Goodness gracious, guys. These aren't predictions, and they're not even intended to be taken in concert with one another.

At 120 rushing attempts, Ryan Williams would have fewer than Tim Tebow had in 2011. 30 less than Roy Helu in Washington. 14 fewer than Ryan Grant in Green Bay!

750 yards would be good for 26th in the NFL last year, behind time-sharing backs like Jonathan Stewart but ahead of BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Ahmad Bradshaw. I was told for the last 15 months that Ryan Williams is AWESOME. Do people believe in him, or not?

EDIT: I'll place my bets probably tomorrow. I'd love to see what props you guys are interested in and where you fall on them.

My issue isn't with the # of carries. I might even take the over on that considering how fragile Wells is. its with the 750 yards. And really no issue with that considering this is fantasy. I just think a more reasonable # on that # of carries would be 500 so I would definitely taje the under. All good stuff.

 

[Shane]

Gonna add Fitzgerald over on the 75 and under on the 1450 his ypc will lower this year imo.

I'm going under on Peterson STs TDs. By own admission has concentrated on his cb skills more all off season and then the fact that he will rarely be kicked to I think it will only be 2 which is still good. Also predicting him over on the 2.5 ints....

 

[kerouac9]

My issue isn't with the # of carries. I might even take the over on that considering how fragile Wells is. its with the 750 yards. And really no issue with that considering this is fantasy. I just think a more reasonable # on that # of carries would be 500 so I would definitely taje the under. All good stuff.

I don't know. I think that asking for more than 7 or 8 carries a game from Williams is asking too much, too soon coming back from that injury. But 500 yards? That's less than Dexter McCluster had last season in KC, or just 10 yards more than Mike Tolbert in San Diego. I don't think that Williams will be expected to grind out yards, and while 6 YPC is probably too much to expect, I hope that the way we'd use him 5+ ypc is within range.

Gonna add Fitzgerald over on the 75 and under on the 1450 his ypc will lower this year imo.

I'm going under on Peterson STs TDs. By own admission has concentrated on his cb skills more all off season and then the fact that he will rarely be kicked to I think it will only be 2 which is still good. Also predicting him over on the 2.5 ints....

I did some research on that. Only 2 times in the last 5 years have Pittsburgh cornerbacks had 3 INTs, and I don't know if one has had more than three in the last decade. It's just not part of the system there, for whatever reason. Polumalu gobbles up 5 to 7 INTs a year.

 

[Shane]

I don't know. I think that asking for more than 7 or 8 carries a game from Williams is asking too much, too soon coming back from that injury. But 500 yards? That's less than Dexter McCluster had last season in KC, or just 10 yards more than Mike Tolbert in San Diego. I don't think that Williams will be expected to grind out yards, and while 6 YPC is probably too much to expect, I hope that the way we'd use him 5+ ypc is within range.



I did some research on that. Only 2 times in the last 5 years have Pittsburgh cornerbacks had 3 INTs, and I don't know if one has had more than three in the last decade. It's just not part of the system there, for whatever reason. Polumalu gobbles up 5 to 7 INTs a year.

That's absolutely true. But I think Peterson is by far more physically gifted then any CB Pittsburgh has ever had over the years. I think that alone with his natural ball skills will increase the # IMO. I'm gonna say 4 for a conservative guess.

 

[Duckjake]

Goodness gracious, guys. These aren't predictions, and they're not even intended to be taken in concert with one another.

At 120 rushing attempts, Ryan Williams would have fewer than Tim Tebow had in 2011. 30 less than Roy Helu in Washington. 14 fewer than Ryan Grant in Green Bay!

750 yards would be good for 26th in the NFL last year, behind time-sharing backs like Jonathan Stewart but ahead of BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Ahmad Bradshaw. I was told for the last 15 months that Ryan Williams is AWESOME. Do people believe in him, or not?

EDIT: I'll place my bets probably tomorrow. I'd love to see what props you guys are interested in and where you fall on them.

OK I understand. Fitz at 20yp recption. I'll take the under. Fitz at 75 receptions I'll take the over. I think he'll have around 95. 1450 yards that could be right on the money.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5 Under
Completion %: 62.5 Under
Yards: 2800 Under
TDs: 19.5 Under
INTs: 9.5 Under

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5 Over
Completion %: 60 Over
Yards: 2200 Under (predicting 8 start)
TDs: 11.5 Over (1.5 TDs per start eeks this out)
INTs: 11.5 Under (1 INT per start)

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5 Over
Attempts: 230 Over (barely)
Yards: 950 Over (barely)
TDs: 9 Over

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5 Under
Attempts: 120 Under
Rushing Yards: 750 Under
Receptions: 24.5 Over
Receiving Yards: 200 Over
TDs: 4.5 Under

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5 Under
Receptions: 9.5 Over

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75 Over
Yards: 1450 Under
TDs: 9.5 Over

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60 Under
Yards: 600 Over
TDs: 4 Over

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45 Under
Yards: 500 Under
TDs: 4 Under

Michael Floyd
Games: 12 Over
Starts: 4.5 Over
Receptions: 39.5 Over
Yards: 450 Over
TDs: 4 Over

Todd Heap
Games: 11.5 Under
Starts: 8.5 Under
Receptions: 20 Over
TDs: 1.5 Over

Jeff King
Receptions: 20 Over
TDs: 1.5 Over

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5 Under
TDs: 2.5 Under

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5 Under
Blown blocks: 11.5 Under

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5 Over

Here is mine

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What that taught me was that I believe Kolb will get hurt early, Beanie will be effective all year, Heap won't make it the whole year, Whiz hates rookies on his oline, and I expect a fair amount of dump off passes while Kolb is playing.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Kinda hard to make these predictions before seeing the team at camp and in preseason, but here's my thoughts ...

OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5 UNDER
Completion %: 62.5 OVER
Yards: 2800 OVER
TDs: 19.5 UNDER
INTs: 9.5 OVER

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5 OVER
Completion %: 60 OVER
Yards: 2200 OVER
TDs: 11.5 OVER
INTs: 11.5 OVER

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5 UNDER
Attempts: 230 OVER
Yards: 950 OVER
TDs: 9 OVER

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5 UNDER
Attempts: 120 OVER
Rushing Yards: 750 UNDER
Receptions: 24.5 UNDER
Receiving Yards: 200 UNDER
TDs: 4.5 EVENS UP

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5 UNDER
Receptions: 9.5 OVER

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75 UNDER
Yards: 1450 UNDER
TDs: 9.5 OVER

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60 UNDER
Yards: 600 UNDER
TDs: 4 EVENS UP

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45 OVER
Yards: 500 OVER
TDs: 4 EVENS UP

Michael Floyd
Games: 12 OVER
Starts: 4.5 OVER
Receptions: 39.5 OVER
Yards: 450 OVER
TDs: 4 OVER

Todd Heap
Games: 11.5 UNDER
Starts: 8.5 UNDER
Receptions: 20 UNDER
TDs: 1.5 UNDER

Jeff King
Receptions: 20 OVER
TDs: 1.5 OVER

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5 UNDER
TDs: 2.5 UNDER

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5 OVER
Blown blocks: 11.5 UNDER

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5 OVER

Remember, guys, these are for entertainment purposes only. Get on the record now...

 

[kerouac9]

Kinda hard to make these predictions before seeing the team at camp and in preseason, but here's my thoughts ...

Do you think that Alfonso Smith is going to start multiple games for this team at RB?

Do you think that Kevin Kolb is going to be on pace for a 5000-yard season before he falls to injury, while at the same time being on pace for only 15 TDs?

 

[Jersey Girl]

Kolb yardage should have been under 2800, not over. And there's no evens up on Williams at 4.5 TDs (shoulda been over). And, while I don't want to see it happen, I can see both our main RBs being hurt at the same time.

 

[Phrazbit]

OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5 Under
Completion %: 62.5 Under
Yards: 2800 Under
TDs: 19.5 Under
INTs: 9.5 Under

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5 Over
Completion %: 60 Under
Yards: 2200 Over
TDs: 11.5 Over
INTs: 11.5 Over

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5 Over
Attempts: 230 Under
Yards: 950 Over
TDs: 9 Under

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5 Under
Attempts: 120 Under
Rushing Yards: 750 Under
Receptions: 24.5 Under
Receiving Yards: 200 Under
TDs: 4.5 Under

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5 Over
Receptions: 9.5 Over

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75 Over
Yards: 1450 Under
TDs: 9.5 Over

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60 under
Yards: 600 Over
TDs: 4 Over

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45 Under
Yards: 500 Under
TDs: 4 Under

Michael Floyd
Games: 12 Over
Starts: 4.5 Over
Receptions: 39.5 Over
Yards: 450 Over
TDs: 4 Push

Todd Heap -Under All for Heap
Games: 11.5
Starts: 8.5
Receptions: 20
TDs: 1.5

Jeff King
Receptions: 20 Over
TDs: 1.5 Over

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5 Under
TDs: 2.5 Under

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5 Over
Blown blocks: 11.5 Under

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5 Over

 

[Phrazbit]

Wins: 7.5 Under
Offensive Ranking: 17.5 Under
Defensive Ranking: 15.5 Over
Division Ranking: 2.5 Push/Over? Tie with Seattle for 2nd.

 

[desertdawg]

I got us as a .500 club, I'm probably a game or 2 off. I think Kolb plays at least 80% of the games, which leads us to an important game that decides our playoff fate....I'm going under. Big strides on both sides of the ball and a clarification of Kolb being our starter, along with a healthy biglaugh battle for the top running back. Fumblilitus should be an after thought, but with Wiz running the skin 10 times a game, kinda hard to blame it on the backs, the QB, Fitz, or the time zone. Now we got Horton keeping the possesion clock and scoeboard semi-honest...

PP= some nice game changers

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5- under will get concussed
Completion %: 62.5- over. I think he'll play well until hurt
Yards: 2800- under, concussed about week 6
TDs: 19.5-under
INTs: 9.5-under

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5-over
Completion %: 60-under, let's hope for 55%
Yards: 2200-over
TDs: 11.5- over
INTs: 11.5- over

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5-over
Attempts: 230- tough one, i'm going under
Yards: 950- over, i think his ypc will be up this year
TDs: 9- over

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5- under
Attempts: 120- over
Rushing Yards: 750- under
Receptions: 24.5- under
Receiving Yards: 200- over
TDs: 4.5- under

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5-under even though that is a low number
Receptions: 9.5- over

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75- over
Yards: 1450- under
TDs: 9.5- over

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60- under
Yards: 600- under
TDs: 4- under

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45- over
Yards: 500- over
TDs: 4- under

Michael Floyd
Games: 12- over
Starts: 4.5- under
Receptions: 39.5- under
Yards: 450- under
TDs: 4- over

Todd Heap
Games: 11.5- under, may be cut
Starts: 8.5- under
Receptions: 20- under
TDs: 1.5- under

Jeff King
Receptions: 20- over
TDs: 1.5- over

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5- over
TDs: 2.5- under

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5- under, he'll exceed expectations
Blown blocks: 11.5- hard to judge this, under

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5-under, Massie will take over by week 4, hopefully.

Remember, guys, these are for entertainment purposes only. Get on the record now...

here are my picks to click.

 

[kerouac9]

I think people would be surprised to look at The Hyphen's career stats and see that he has had virtually no involvement in the offense for his career. Has never had more than 16 receptions in a season, and he had only 41 rushes (a career high) last year--when Beanie was hurting and Ryan Williams was on IR the entire year.

It's remarkable that we're paying $2.5 million this year for a below-average kick returner. LSH better be healthy this year and special on the return unit, or he's going to have a hard time finding a job in 2013.

 

[BigRedRage]

2 much for me

 

[BigRedRage]

I think people would be surprised to look at The Hyphen's career stats and see that he has had virtually no involvement in the offense for his career. Has never had more than 16 receptions in a season, and he had only 41 rushes (a career high) last year--when Beanie was hurting and Ryan Williams was on IR the entire year.

It's remarkable that we're paying $2.5 million this year for a below-average kick returner. LSH better be healthy this year and special on the return unit, or he's going to have a hard time finding a job in 2013.

Average returner, EXCELLENT gunner. Like our best goy on the punt coverage unit.

With that said, replaceable by another burner.

HEAVILY underutilized as a 3rd down scamp back. Get him a big year with 40 receptions and lots of screen type first downs and we could get a 3rd out of him for next year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Thanks, Duckjake, for reminding me that this was fun last year.

With about a week remaining until the start of training camp, and all that will entail, I wanted to get on record--and allow our groupthink community to get on record--about individual and team performance for the 2012 season.

Even I'm not immune to preseason excitement, but I'm going to try and be as fair as possible in setting expectations for the new year.

I'll start with the offense, then I'll do the defense, then special teams and bottom-of-roster. These are designed to be "middles", not ceilings or floors for production. Place your bets, lady (let's be real about it) and gentlemen.

OFFENSE:

Kevin Kolb
Starts: 9.5 (Over)
Completion %: 62.5 (Under)
Yards: 2800 (Over)
TDs: 19.5 (Over)
INTs: 9.5 (Under)

John Skelton
Starts: 5.5 (Under)
Completion %: 60 (Under)
Yards: 2200 (Under)
TDs: 11.5 (Under)
INTs: 11.5 (Under)

Chris "Beanie" Wells
Starts: 12.5 (Over)
Attempts: 230 (Over)
Yards: 950 (Over)
TDs: 9 (Over)

Ryan Williams
Starts: 3.5 (Under)
Attempts: 120 (Under)
Rushing Yards: 750 (Under)
Receptions: 24.5 (Over)
Receiving Yards: 200 (Over)
TDs: 4.5 (Over)

LaRod Stephens-Howling
Attempts: 29.5 (Over)
Receptions: 9.5 (Over)

Larry Fitzgerald
Receptions: 75 (Over)
Yards: 1450 (Under)
TDs: 9.5 (Over)

Andre Roberts
Receptions: 60 (Under)
Yards: 600 (Under)
TDs: 4 (Over)

Early Doucet
Receptions: 45 (Over)
Yards: 500 (Over)
TDs: 4 (Over)

Michael Floyd
Games: 12 (Over)
Starts: 4.5 (Over)
Receptions: 39.5 (Over)
Yards: 450 (Over)
TDs: 4 (Over)

Todd Heap
Games: 11.5 (Over)
Starts: 8.5 (Over)
Receptions: 20 (Over)
TDs: 1.5 (Over)

Jeff King
Receptions: 20 (Over)
TDs: 1.5 (Over)

Rob Housler
Receptions: 29.5 (Over)
TDs: 2.5 (Under)

Levi Brown
Sacks Allowed: 8.5 (Over)
Blown blocks: 11.5 (Over)

Jeremy Bridges
Starts: 7.5 (Over)

Remember, guys, these are for entertainment purposes only. Get on the record now...

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