A vote for Quinnen Williams

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  1. Dr. Jones

    Dr. Jones Has No Time For Love

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    Hypocrisy. Say that about Kyler's performance in the Alabama game and the doubters light up like a Christmas tree. And he played every snap.


    He only played half the snaps.

    HALF
     
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    Major props for Krokus.
     
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    It's not about stats always with a big guy but how he is occupying the OL to free other people to get pressure, pushing the pocket and changing the overall dynamics of a offense... which Calais Campbell even on the end did a lot of which could not be measured by his stats
     
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    In their own abstract, they say that it's the first attempt to measure win replacement in football and that it's highly context-dependent to even attempt to do so. Point being it's a statistic with no established merit so I don't care how many wins above replacement they think Mahomes is.

    Case in point he was only 2 wins better in 2018 than Alex Smith was in 2017. Smith who, in my mind and most other peoples minds is the epitome of a replacement level starting QB. It seems to me that if Mahomes is "8 wins above replacement" they are using all QBs, backup and starter to form their numbers and that simply doesn't work with the QB position as 2/3rd of the QBs in the league aren't there to actually start normally.
     
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    Josh Rosen wishes to attain Alex Smith level production.

    And that's not hyperbole..... The dude was HORRIBLE in every measurable situation last year. pressure, no pressure, moving, stationary, road, home, EVERYTHING. Fixing our line is a false flag. Pinning your hopes on scheme and protection fails to see the whole board. Our guy was a huge part of the problem.
     
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    Cool, that doesn't make their methodology worthwhile. Also doesn't say anything about what Murray will be as a pro.
     
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    Every single veteran player on offense last season had either their worst or near-worst statistical season in their NFL career, including Sam Bradford. That’s a coaching problem when everyone fails.

    As much as it pains you to admit, the problem goes far beyond Rosen.
     
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    I get what you're saying and kinda agree, but you don't just force your hand at the position with a guy who isn't a game changer because you're desperate. That seems to be what you're suggesting.

    I mean, we can go back and forth all day, I just simply do not believe in Kyler and think almost anyone else we pick is a better choice. If we had a 10-20 pick? Give me the risk and upside of Kyler all day long. At #1 overall? No way. Give me the blue chip defensive guy with all of the measurables.

    I mean, that's the issue of this WAR or replacement level statistic... I see Kyler as maybe a 1-2 game improvement over last year's version of Rosen. And if that's the case, what's the point?
     
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    Taking Q Williams over Bosa should not be a new mindset.
     
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    Why? This time last year we had no clue who Quinnen Williams was. Bosa had a ton of press and Kyler was the Texas legend about to replace a Heisman winner.

    This was QW's first year of great production. He still didn't play 60% of the snaps on defense. And he was seen regularly huffing for air on the sidelines during crucial downs in the BCS games.
     
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    Lack of size, he could always fall back to baseball, we'd be taking him with the #1 pick, we'd be accountable for 8 million dollars of dead cap money...what's not to love about drafting Shrimp Boy #1?
     
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    Q like Murray sat behind a really good player until last year
     
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    Just to specifically comment on your scheme premise, for every man who is schemed to be removed, another is opened up. I don't see how you plan to scheme out chandler, qw and suggs app at the same time. If anything, if this is your philosophy, you should be prioritizing as many front 7 menaces as possible so that if a team schemes for some, the others wreak havok.

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    If he is even half as good as Mahomes.. he still gives you more production than an Aaron Donald.
     
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    Just for the record, here are the 2018 snap count percentages of the two NFL players you referenced:

    -Aaron Donald in on over 90% of defensive snaps

    -Suh in for 88%

    I get that many guys on the D Line get rotated in. I’m just pointing out his body type isn’t impressive and images of him on the side line wearing oxygen masks with limited snaps isn’t a good look.
     
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