A vote for Quinnen Williams

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  1. JosiahLee

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    I think it’s worth pointing out in this argument that Alex Smith had the highest qb rating of ALL NFL QB’s in 2017 that played a full season.
     
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    It didn't seem to translate to the Redskins. I think this kind of epitomizes my argument. Smith on the Chiefs with their talent and Reid coaching sets a record. It's almost like QB performance is majorly impacted by what's around them. Don't tell that to the Murray crowd though.
     
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    I haven't seen any Murray supporters argue this..
     
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    Exactly. They reject the notion that Oklahoma being stacked might possibly inflate Murray's college numbers and also reject the notion that the mess that was our offense last year might have been the main reason Rosen couldn't produce.
     
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    That’s a bunch of bull poop.
     
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    He is a red shirt Soph who who was able to start and dominate at DT for one of the best programs in college football, a legendarily tough defensive HC, and on a roster stacked with future NFL players.

    He is a guy who was so good, even the vaunted Alabama defense couldn't hold him down...unlike Murray. (lol had to put that in)
     
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    Maybe a little bit of both. Anti Murray posters might tend to discount the fact that he made players around him better.. which might make a team seem "stacked". Jmo
     
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    Just like the Murrayites tend to discount having a superior supporting cast in a inferior defensively inept conference.
     
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    #1. This isn't correct. I absolutely believe the criticisms of Murray are valid. So are the praise. You end up with a prospect who has both a low floor and a high ceiling.

    #2. I will continue to say that Rosen was last in clean pocket Quarterback Rating (ample time). Last in expected completion percentage (open receiver).

    These are perfect situations for a QB and he was last.

    He is a complete bust until proven otherwise.
     
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    Re read. :)
     
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    Having the lowest expected completion percentage means he had less help than any other QB in the NFL. It's not a perfect situation for a QB it means he had the worst situation of all QBs in the NFL.
     
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    That isn't what it means at all. It means the receiver was open so you expect a completion, the completion didn't happen, and it wasn't a drop.
     
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    His being lowest means that the % of time that the WR was open was lower than anyone else's. I work in sports statistics and I'm telling you that this stat is saying his WRs gave him less help than anyone elses.
     
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    Wrong

    https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/glossary

    Expected Completion Percentage (xCOMP)
    Using a passer’s Completion Probability on every play, determine what a passer’s completion percentage is expected to be.
     
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    Here is Rosen's efficiency

    Josh Rosen Efficiency.PNG
     

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