2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

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  1. JCSunsfan

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    Kinda Bledsoe-ish.
     
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    Okay...without cheating and looking at names...

    Tell me which one is Ja Morant and which one is Isaiah Canaan.



     
  3. Mainstreet

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    Perhaps some De'Aaron Fox as well. What initially caught my eye on Fox is his ability to penetrate and his athleticism. In the video Morant looks like a better passer but of course the competition is different.
     
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    So, I just listened to the latest locked on suns podcast, and they talked about the bright side event where James Jones spoke.

    According to them

    1. Jones has no interest in making a trade for a pg, he wants to sign one in fa.
    2. Apparently his targets are 1. Terry Rozier 2. Deangelo Russell
    3. He does not want anymore young players, so a trade of our pick is most likely.
    4. He does not want to give up any of our young players in trade, and instead wants to focus on developing them.

    If this is true, and the suns are going hard after Rozier I think I am going to be sick. I am not really crazy about Russell either, but I would far prefer him if those are the two options.

    Rozier will just be a horrific signing, this actually makes me pray Boston will offer him to us at the deadline cheap - like just the milwaukee pick basically and he can play awhile on the suns so Jones can see how much he sucks, and we avoid paying him a huge contract.
     
  5. SirStefan32

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    That's at best a gross oversimplification of what he said. At worst it is a complete fabrication. He talked about how difficult it is to make a trade. How you can't just trade for a player- the player's team has to actually trade him. In other words, it takes two to tango. They even talked about how he called Boston about Rozier. Jones simply said it is easier to sign a free agent than it is to trade for someone.

    His exact words were:
    “I say it all the time, it takes two to tango. So, when your primary vehicle for acquiring a player is via trade, you don’t control that. We’ve seen time and time again you don’t control that,” Jones said. “At some point, the other team can back out or you can back out. So, the only way you can add is free agency, where you have more control, and the draft where you have complete control. That, for us, it will most likely be free agency. Just because when you look at our team and the way we construct it.”
    That's a far cry from "having no interest in a trade."

    Now, that said, I agree with you about Rozier, and would add that I am not a fan of Russell either. I would also point out that it is quite risky to rely on free agency too. Putting aside my dislike of Rozier and Russell, let's assume they are actually great targets for the Suns. What do you do when Celtics match Rozier's offer and Russell decides to sign an extension with the Nets, or signs elsewhere. Same thing with Rubio- what if he decides he likes Utah and extends with them?
     
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    If Boston matches Rozier's offer I would celebrate. But why would they do that - They are not going to pay starting money to a bad backup when they already have marcus smart.

    Well honestly if we missed out on Rozier, Russell, and Rubio, it honestly wouldn't bother me that much, because I don't really like any of them especially at 15 million + a year. I would rather get someone like Corey Joseph, Tyus Jones. Pat Beverly, jose Barea, or TJ Mcconnell than overpay one of them. Better yet by far I would draft Morant.
     
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    I've read and hear a good bit about that event and this is the first time I've seen those 2 mentioned as the only targets in free agency. From what I understood he didn't name anyone specifically. I don't believe he's even allowed to name specific players due to the tampering rules. So claiming that his targets are Rozier and Russell, as the #1 and #2 options, is simply speculation. I haven't listened to that podcast yet but did they say Jones mentioned them or how did it come about that those 2 are his top targets?
     
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    Well, they were saying that Bill Simmons has said the Suns have repeatedly tried to trade for Rozier, and that the first thing James Jones did once he took over was to contact the Celtics to try and get Rozier. Also Gambo has reported the same thing.

    I don't think they said he mentioned those names at the event, it was kind of them putting info together.

    Maybe I am overreacting but the thought of Rozier being the number 1 target stunned me.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Ok - this is one time I really hope Gambo knows something.
     
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    I'm not a big Smith fan but I can't see him being available for the Milwaukee pick. And if he is, we should jump on that deal as quickly as possible.
     
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    I don't believe it either.

    But as I have already stated I would be fine giving up our own pick top 3 protected plus Okobo. If they are already planning on trading that pick, I think it would be hard to get more veteran value for it than this.
     
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    That's going too far for me. I don't really like the way he plays the game and I hate the idea of taking someone with his injury risk. For free, as in the Milwaukee pick, yes, but not for a top 3 or even top 5 protected pick even in a weak draft. And it's hard for me to consider him veteran help; his value has more to do with what you hope he can become because what he's been so far is a well below average starter.
     
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    I agree. If he can be had on the cheap side, sure, take him and the worst case scenario is you can decline the team option next year. But I would not give up a top-ten pick for him. I've been watching Dallas closely this year, and I wouldn't trade even a top-ten protected pick for him.
     
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    Really? Even when the likely other option is Rozier?

    That needs to be factored into this equation.
     
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    If someone forced me to choose between the two and salary wasn't a factor, I'd probably choose Smith but it would be by a thin margin. Rozier plays hard on defense and doesn't have a bad knee but Smith is a threat to score any time he sees an uncrowded lane, so, small edge to Smith. Regardless, I'm going to continue hoping that we have better plans than either of these guys.
     
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