10th pick, who do we like?

[Mainstreet]

I can admit I know nothing about most of the prospects, but after watching a couple minutes of YouTube highlights I want us to draft all of them.

Yeah, highlights will do that.

What I haven't done much is watch scouting reports of each player on YouTube. This is very helpful.

 

[SirStefan32]

Since they had no lottery pick, I really haven't been following these guys closely. I just want players who have ONE NBA skill right now. No "potential" crap they went for with Chriss, Bender, Jackson, etc. I just want guys who can come in and do one thing at the NBA level right now.

 

[elindholm]

Why would you want a guy who’s not athletic, not strong, not explosive and struggles to be in shape?

That sounds like he has no intangibles at all. The biggest red flag to me is a guy who doesn’t work hard

The Suns would be better off packaging the #10, Allen, and Martin for Ayton.

 

[sinsay]

Sober, Queen, or Bryant in that order

 

[Proximo]

I'm not getting the Carter Bryant love. I admittedly didn't watch any UofA games, but his stats are not impressive for someone people are hyping as a dynamic lottery pick.

I kind of get it, but he is a real project. Most of the time projects don't end up working out.

 

[Ronin]

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[Chaplin]

Is anyone planning on doing any kind of compilation of the mocks that are out there? We used to do it back in the day, but we haven't really been draft heavy for several years (until 2024).

 

[az jam]

I don't follow the NBA draft but this is a big deal for the Suns and can't afford a miss. NBA analysts feel they will go after a PF or Center as they are lacking size in their lineup. Most will still be projects as they are all between 18 and 20 years of age.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I don't follow the NBA draft but this is a big deal for the Suns and can't afford a miss. NBA analysts feel they will go after a PF or Center as they are lacking size in their lineup. Most will still be projects as they are all between 18 and 20 years of age.

yessir - suns needs - pg - pf - center but i'd list them in reverse if we're talking order of importance - nba is getting faster and taller - if your big can't get back on defense consistently you're done - you'll be depending on dunn (and others) to provide a lot of fast break rim protection - this is why nurk became useless in bud's eyes

 

[Folster]

yessir - suns needs - pg - pf - center but i'd list them in reverse if we're talking order of importance - nba is getting faster and taller - if your big can't get back on defense consistently you're done - you'll be depending on dunn (and others) to provide a lot of fast break rim protection - this is why nurk became useless in bud's eyes

What's worse is we need a starting PG, PF, and C. We'd be insanely fortunate to be able to find a rookie starter in the draft at 10. The rest will have to come from trades and free agency or a player already on the roster.

 

[Mainstreet]

What's worse is we need a starting PG, PF, and C. We'd be insanely fortunate to be able to find a rookie starter in the draft at 10. The rest will have to come from trades and free agency or a player already on the roster.

I suspect the Suns will draft size with their first two picks.

I'd go with BPA. However, I'm not sure who that is at the moment and the Suns may not either trading for the 10th so late. Hopefully they already have some players targeted and it's why they did the trade.

There is good depth at FC if the Suns should decide to trade down.

Also, there should be point guards available late in the draft. I'm hoping they bring Gillespie back and maybe Washington as well.

 

[JerkFace]

Is anyone planning on doing any kind of compilation of the mocks that are out there? We used to do it back in the day, but we haven't really been draft heavy for several years (until 2024).

I don’t have a mock compilation, but what I do every year for all the drafts is make a spreadsheet of the top 7 big boards out there so that I can get each players average rank. I eliminate the highest rank of each player and the lowest rank to help eliminate extremes or anomalies. When I get a chance I will post it.

 

[JerkFace]

I don’t have a mock compilation, but what I do every year for all the drafts is make a spreadsheet of the top 7 big boards out there so that I can get each players average rank. I eliminate the highest rank of each player and the lowest rank to help eliminate extremes or anomalies. When I get a chance I will post it.

I’m not sure how this will post since it is a spreadsheet but I will post as is right now and if it comes out weird I will try to edit later. The composite average is all the way to the right:

	Ranking	NBADraft	Tankathon	NBADraftRoom	CBSSports	Ringer	ESPN	Athletic	AVG
Flagg	1	1	1	1	1	1	H1	L1	1.00
Harper	2	2	2	2	2	2	H2	L2	2.00
Edgecombe	3	3	H3	5	L5	4	4	4	4.00
Bailey	4	4	4	H3	4	5	3	L6	4.00
Johnson	5	L8	7	4	H3	3	5	5	4.80
Knueppel	6	7	5	6	6	L7	6	H3	6.00
Maluach	7	L16	H6	9	8	9	7	11	8.80
Bryant	8	L24	12	8	10	H6	12	10	10.40
Jakucionis	9	14	10	12	7	L14	10	H7	10.60
Fears	10	H5	9	7	11	L19	8	18	10.60
Queen	11	L15	8	13	9	H8	14	12	11.20
Essengue	12	10	14	10	14	L20	H9	16	12.80
Demin	13	H9	18	11	13	11	11	L26	12.80
Murray-Boyles	14	L21	13	17	12	16	13	H8	14.20
Sorber	15	12	17	15	L22	H10	16	15	15.00
Coward	16	L25	15	16	18	15	21	H9	17.00
Berlinger	17	18	21	19	L23	18	15	H13	18.20
Clifford	18	13	20	25	16	H12	20	L25	18.80
Traore	19	H6	L24	14	15	23	23	22	19.40
Mcneeley	20	23	22	18	H17	L28	17	20	20.00
Richardson	21	L27	H11	26	19	24	18	17	20.80
Wolf	22	L32	23	22	20	H13	25	14	20.80
Newell	23	H11	16	24	21	L33	19	29	21.80
Fleming	24	H17	19	23	24	22	27	L32	23.00
Clayton	25	20	26	20	L29	25	28	H19	23.80
Riley	26	H19	25	27	L32	30	24	23	25.80

 

[jf-08]

I’m not sure how this will post since it is a spreadsheet but I will post as is right now and if it comes out weird I will try to edit later. The composite average is all the way to the right:

		NBADraft	Tankathon	NBADraftRoom	CBSSports	Ringer	ESPN	Athletic	AVG
Flagg	1	1	1	1	1	1	H1	H2	1.00
Harper	2	2	2	2	2	2	H2	L2	2.00
Edgecombe	3	3	L3	5	H5	4	4	4	4.00
Bailey	4	4	4	H3	4	5	3	L6	4.00
Johnson	5	L8	7	4	H3	3	5	5	4.80
Knueppel	6	7	5	6	6	L7	6	H3	6.00
Maluach	7	L16	H6	9	8	9	7	11	8.80
Bryant	8	H24	12	8	10	L6	12	10	10.40
Jakucionis	9	14	10	12	7	L14	10	H7	10.60
Fears	10	L5	9	7	11	H19	8	18	10.60
Queen	11	H15	8	13	9	L8	14	12	11.20
Essengue	12	10	14	10	14	H20	L9	16	12.80
Demin	13	L9	18	11	13	11	11	H26	12.80
Murray-Boyles	14	H21	13	17	12	16	13	L8	14.20
Sorber	15	12	17	15	H22	L10	16	15	15.00
Coward	16	H25	15	16	18	15	21	L9	17.00
Berlinger	17	18	21	19	H23	18	15	L13	18.20
Clifford	18	13	20	25	16	H12	20	L25	18.80
Traore	19	L6	H24	14	15	23	23	22	19.40
Mcneeley	20	23	22	18	L17	H28	17	20	20.00
Richardson	21	H27	L11	26	19	24	18	17	20.80
Wolf	22	H32	23	22	20	L13	25	14	20.80
Newell	23	L11	16	24	21	H33	19	29	21.80
Fleming	24	L17	19	23	24	22	27	H32	23.00
Clayton	25	20	26	20	H29	25	28	L19	23.80
Riley	26	L19	25	27	H32	30	24	23	25.80

FYI, you have some Hs and Ls mixed up for some of the players.

 

[JerkFace]

FYI, you have some Hs and Ls mixed up for some of the players.

Who? The only one I saw was Flagg but I just forgot to change that. I purposely did it wrong to make sure the formula was averaging correctly and forgot to change it back.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Who? The only one I saw was Flagg but I just forgot to change that. I purposely did it wrong to make sure the formula was averaging correctly and forgot to change it back.

show off

 

[jf-08]

Who? The only one I saw was Flagg but I just forgot to change that. I purposely did it wrong to make sure the formula was averaging correctly and forgot to change it back.

The bold ones are not congruent with the rest:

Flagg: H1 L1
Harper: H2 L2
Edgecombe: H5 L3
Bailey: H3 L6
Johnson H3 L8
Knueppel: H3 L7
Maluach: H6 L 16
Bryant: H24 L6
...
Fears: H19 L5
Clifford: H12 L25

 

[Finito]

Because you are over emphasizing the weaknesses and overlooking the strengths. Here they are:

Queen, at 6’10 possesses a combination of size and speed that will allow him to immediately compete with players at the next level physically … Crashes the glass hard (averaged 9.2 rebounds for the Terrapins, second in the Big Ten in rebounds per game), knows how to use his body to out maneuver opponents down low or can simply overwhelm them … Isn’t reliant on the pieces around him to get the ball in his hands, can be proactive with both calling for the ball and moving off the ball for more opportunities … Queen can generate offense beyond the post, has the handle and agility to work his way from half court to the paint … Extremely light on his feet for his size, possesses lateral quickness that is rare for a player of his size, leading to him becoming one of the most impactful defensive players in his class (averaged 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals this year) … Has the potential to be one of the best 1-5 defenders at the next level, extremely capable as a switch/help defender … When dialed in, Queen has an all-world motor, can be relentless and will continue to hunt for the shot that is best for him … Is one of the best playmaking bigs in his class (averaged just under two assists per game this year), is comfortable creating out of the post and doesn’t always fully commit to scoring when driving to the rim … Shows the potential to develop into a capable floor spacer (had two games shooting over 40% from deep despite limited attempts), already has a solid mid range jumper and soft touch at the rim … A player with a lot of determination and focus …

I don’t give a damn how talented he is. I don’t care how well he shoots the ball or anything

If he can’t get it in shape that’s all worthless. You also have to understand we do not have a culture of accountability. See Zion

 

[Finito]

Barkley was a slob, many would describe Jokic as a slob, Boogie Cousins too.

It is not a death sentence by any means.

Barkley was not a slob by any means. It’s funny I remember all the fat jokes when he was playing but you go back and look dude wasn’t fat at all

Joker and Boogie are not slobs either WTF

 

[JerkFace]

The bold ones are not congruent with the rest:

Flagg: H1 L1
Harper: H2 L2
Edgecombe: H5 L3
Bailey: H3 L6
Johnson H3 L8
Knueppel: H3 L7
Maluach: H6 L 16
Bryant: H24 L6
...
Fears: H19 L5
Clifford: H12 L25

The highs and lows are congruent to each big board, I eliminated one high and one low to eliminate possible anomalies (whenever doing averages in any aspect it is always best to remove about 10% from the top and 10% from the bottom to get a true average). For example Bailey highest ranking was 3 (by multiple boards) and his lowest was 6. So I removed one 3 and one 6 to get the average of the middle 5. Make sense?

 

[Finito]

Um, we are talking about when he was a rookie. He was over 300 at one point.

And he has Moses and DJ J on the team and Moses took him under his wing. We do not have a culture of accountability and we don’t have vets like that to teach young guys.

 

[Finito]

Prime Chuck was like 2 years. He was fat when he came into the league and when he left. He was remarkable when he arrived here but the best thing that happened was the Dream Team and his friendship with MJ whipping him into shape. Unfortunately injuries caught up to him but some of those injuries were likely due to how he didn't take care of himself but still played all out.

Dude you have no knowledge of Barkley’s career. You think the dream team in 92 and MJ got him into shape and his prime was 2 years? That’s just let’s me know you think Barkley only became a thing in 92

Barkley was on an All NBA team every year from 85-95. 7 years before the Dream Team. He won the MVP in 92 but his best year numbers wise came in 87 when he averaged 28/12

Come on dude

 

[jf-08]

The highs and lows are congruent to each big board, I eliminated one high and one low to eliminate possible anomalies (whenever doing averages in any aspect it is always best to remove about 10% from the top and 10% from the bottom to get a true average). For example Bailey highest ranking was 3 (by multiple boards) and his lowest was 6. So I removed one 3 and one 6 to get the average of the middle 5. Make sense?

Yes I understand, but you have the BOLDED above listed as the H(igh) as a place drafted earlier in the draft and L(ow) as a place later in the draft. All of the others have the H as higher in ranking which means a later position and the L as lower in ranking which means an earlier draft position.

So bolded:
H - earlier draft position
L - later draft position

Non-bolded:
H - later draft position
L - earlier draft position

 

[JerkFace]

Yes I understand, but you have the BOLDED above listed as the H(igh) as a place drafted earlier in the draft and L(ow) as a place later in the draft. All of the others have the H as higher in ranking which means a later position and the L as lower in ranking which means an earlier draft position.

So bolded:
H - earlier draft position
L - later draft position

Non-bolded:
H - later draft position
L - earlier draft position

Gotcha… my bad. I originally just had Xs for my own use but changed it real fast to be clearer. I will fix.

 

[Hoop Head]

Dude you have no knowledge of Barkley’s career. You think the dream team in 92 and MJ got him into shape and his prime was 2 years? That’s just let’s me know you think Barkley only became a thing in 92

Barkley was on an All NBA team every year from 85-95. 7 years before the Dream Team. He won the MVP in 92 but his best year numbers wise came in 87 when he averaged 28/12

Come on dude

In shape Barkley was about 2-3 years. He was fat in Philadelphia and selfish. His best year was his MVP year in Phoenix. Refute what I said and what the discussion is about, it isn't about whether he was productive on an individual level but his actual leadership, dedication, and ability to elevate a team. Nothing you said proves otherwise.