10th pick, who do we like?

[jf-08]

Gotcha… my bad. I originally just had Xs for my own use but changed it real fast to be clearer. I will fix.

great work btw. Love this chart.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I read the exchange and have no idea why he’s dropping. Were they speaking English?

 

[Superbone]

I suspect the Suns will draft size with their first two picks.

I'd go with BPA. However, I'm not sure who that is at the moment and the Suns may not either trading for the 10th so late. Hopefully they already have some players targeted and it's why they did the trade.

There is good depth at FC if the Suns should decide to trade down.

Also, there should be point guards available late in the draft. I'm hoping they bring Gillespie back and maybe Washington as well.

The problem with BPA is we really can't afford have yet another SG. Maybe BPA who's not a SG.

 

[Mainstreet]

The problem with BPA is we really can't afford have yet another SG. Maybe BPA who's not a SG.

My guess is that what James Jones was thinking when he passed on Haliburton… he couldn't use another point guard.

 

[Superbone]

My guess is that what James Jones was thinking when he passed on Haliburton… he couldn't use another point guard.

But we could. We only had Paul. Or maybe that was before Paul, I can't remember.

 

[Mainstreet]

But we could. We only had Paul. Or maybe that was before Paul, I can't remember.

The point being, in my humble opinion, is always draft best player available unless there is comparable talent that fits a need.

We saw that when the Suns drafted Josh Jackson as well.

 

[Superbone]

The point being, in my humble opinion, is always draft best player available unless there is comparable talent that fits a need.

We saw that when the Suns drafted Josh Jackson as well.

So you really would draft another SG to add to our team of almost all SGs? The draft isn't even that strong to begin with. I don't think a BPA SG is going to be all that great in this one. I get what you're saying but I just don't think it applies here. I mean, I guess you could but we'd have to trade 4 of ours after the draft or maybe during the draft in draft day deals. I'm not sure first time GM Gregory is sharp enough to pull that off.

 

[Mainstreet]

So you really would draft another SG to add to our team of almost all SGs? The draft isn't even that strong to begin with. I don't think a BPA SG is going to be all that great in this one. I get what you're saying but I just don't think it applies here. I mean, I guess you could but we'd have to trade 4 of ours after the draft or maybe during the draft in draft day deals. I'm not sure first time GM Gregory is sharp enough to pull that off.

If there is a clear, BPA, drafting that player is the right strategy or consider trading down.

I'm not sure who will be available for the Suns at #10 so it may be a moot point.

 

[Proximo]

I watched this video of Harper and Ace Bailey working out with Giannis.

Ace really impressed me, I thought he looked better than Harper. If there was anyway we could trade up and get him, I would be ecstatic. Dude looks like a stud to me.

 

[Folster]

But we could. We only had Paul. Or maybe that was before Paul, I can't remember.

This was the 2020 draft, held November 18, 2020 due to Covid. We acquired Paul a couple days earlier. I recall a big/4 being reported as a bigger need at the time rather than a back-up PG to ultimately replace Paul who had just been acquired. There was talk that drafting his replacement right after acquiring him wouldn't have been well received.

 

[JerkFace]

People also need to remember that in the 2020 draft, Haliburton was coming off a serious wrist injury that ended his college season and his agent was only sharing his medicals with a few teams (the Suns were not one of them).

 

[Finito]

In shape Barkley was about 2-3 years. He was fat in Philadelphia and selfish. His best year was his MVP year in Phoenix. Refute what I said and what the discussion is about, it isn't about whether he was productive on an individual level but his actual leadership, dedication, and ability to elevate a team. Nothing you said proves otherwise.

I’d have so much more respect if you were just oh hey I didn’t know instead of always just trying to double down. Like it’s been brought up Barkley wasn’t actually fat in Philly outside of his rookie year. He was in great shape and had a killer motor and I’d dare you to find a Philly teammate who calls him selfish

Barkley in 87 averaging 28/12 omg what a fat slob

 

[Folster]

People also need to remember that in the 2020 draft, Haliburton was coming off a serious wrist injury that ended his college season and his agent was only sharing his medicals with a few teams (the Suns were not one of them).

Serious wrist injury? I've never heard of a wrist injury being a major red flag in a player's draft prospects. Knees, feet, and back, sure, but hands and wrists?

 

[Hoop Head]

I’d have so much more respect if you were just oh hey I didn’t know instead of always just trying to double down. Like it’s been brought up Barkley wasn’t actually fat in Philly outside of his rookie year. He was in great shape and had a killer motor and I’d dare you to find a Philly teammate who calls him selfish

Barkley in 87 averaging 28/12 omg what a fat slob

Notice you STILL aren't refuting what I actually said and keep twisting it. Records of the Sixers would actually prove me wrong, if they're what you claim. 35-47 in his last year but yes, his stats were great. Know who else doesn't have teammates calling him selfish? KD. We saw it last year while you watched Ayton in Portland.

Again, for the second time. Prove what I actually said wrong. His best year was in Phoenix when he became a leader. He came into the league out of shape. He had a short prime as a player because of how he didn't take care of himself. His best years were around when the Dream Team formed.


Enjoy the Blazers! I hope seeing Ayton perform to his abilities once a month is fulfilling.

 

[JerkFace]

Serious wrist injury? I've never heard of a wrist injury being a major red flag in a player's draft prospects. Knees, feet, and back, sure, but hands and wrists?

It was just another ingredient in the soup. The injury combined with his agent making it clear that they weren’t going to give medicals to teams that they didn’t want to draft him was a reason why he slipped in the draft.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

I refuse to "like" any candidate. I dropped out of the draft prediction game years ago, after conceding that I--and most people--know virtually nothing. Even NBA front offices themselves, to some extent, know little for certain. I was tired of pretending that I understand these players.

It means little that, for the record, I was calling for the selection of Steve Nash in 1996. Why does it mean little? Because all I was doing was reading the abstracts, the brief profiles of these candidates in the newspaper, and saying something like "This 'Steve Nash' guy sounds good. They should take him." He's probably the only case where the Suns drafted the candidate I liked and the draftee turned out to be a good player.

 

[Hoop Head]

I refuse to "like" any candidate. I dropped out of the draft prediction game years ago, after conceding that I--and most people--know virtually nothing. Even NBA front offices themselves, to some extent, know little for certain. I was tired of pretending that I understand these players.

It means little that, for the record, I was calling for the selection of Steve Nash in 1996. Why does it mean little? Because all I was doing was reading the abstracts, the brief profiles of these candidates in the newspaper, and saying something like "This 'Steve Nash' guy sounds good. They should take him." He's probably the only case where the Suns drafted the candidate I liked and the draftee turned out to be a good player.

I view it as continuing education on the game. Right or wrong, if you learn from your mistakes then you can find new ways to view the game as a whole.

To each their own. I'm a diehard basketball fan so I'm all in. I know it brings pain when the team passes on guys like Haliburton, who virtually everyone here wanted, but getting things right reinforces views and can provide a dopamine hit. There's more reasons to rattle off but ultimately it's just entertainment and we all have different levels of interest.

 

[Mainstreet]

I refuse to "like" any candidate. I dropped out of the draft prediction game years ago, after conceding that I--and most people--know virtually nothing. Even NBA front offices themselves, to some extent, know little for certain. I was tired of pretending that I understand these players.

It means little that, for the record, I was calling for the selection of Steve Nash in 1996. Why does it mean little? Because all I was doing was reading the abstracts, the brief profiles of these candidates in the newspaper, and saying something like "This 'Steve Nash' guy sounds good. They should take him." He's probably the only case where the Suns drafted the candidate I liked and the draftee turned out to be a good player.

Steve Nash was considered a safe pick in the 1996 NBA Draft and he was that for sure.

However, he turned out to be so much more.

 

[Mainstreet]

I view it as continuing education on the game. Right or wrong, if you learn from your mistakes then you can find new ways to view the game as a whole.

To each their own. I'm a diehard basketball fan so I'm all in. I know it brings pain when the team passes on guys like Haliburton, who virtually everyone here wanted, but getting things right reinforces views and can provide a dopamine hit. There's more reasons to rattle off but ultimately it's just entertainment and we all have different levels of interest.

If you study the video and put in the work, it's not that hard.

It's the game film, not the highlights, that tell the story. Unfortunately, the Suns didn't give me a lot of reason to do it with the way they valued the draft until recently.

 

[Hoop Head]

Steve Nash was considered a safe pick in the 1996 NBA Draft and he was that for sure.

However, he turned out to be so much more.

Which brings up a good point, in a way, drafting players with strong character and drive is probably the safest path. For a recent example, look up Jalen Williams in OKC and how Presti talks about why he selected him. He was a reach for OKC and they have a title now. He's relatively soft spoken but seems like a great kid and one hell of a competitor.

 

[Folster]

This is the best prospect breakdown I've seen for the Suns at #10.

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[Finito]

I watched this video of Harper and Ace Bailey working out with Giannis.

Ace really impressed me, I thought he looked better than Harper. If there was anyway we could trade up and get him, I would be ecstatic. Dude looks like a stud to me.

Dude I swear to god if they pull off a move to get this kid they would have totally redeemed themselves. He’s tanking his draft status just like Haliburton did and I’d he’s there at 7ish you gotta try

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

Steve Nash was considered a safe pick in the 1996 NBA Draft and he was that for sure.

However, he turned out to be so much more.

That really isn't the point. It's that I knew nothing, but back in 1996 I was pretending I knew much. No more of that.

 

[Folster]

Steve Nash was considered a safe pick in the 1996 NBA Draft and he was that for sure.

However, he turned out to be so much more.

It took a while for the game to slow down for him though. We see that a lot with point guards, QBs as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

Okay, salivate over this prospect. I wish the Suns had more first round picks.

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