2019 1st round pick is QB Kyler Murray

[Hoodhero]

Yeah considering all of the NFLN coverage has been field level only when they could easily have a higher up camera as a part of their coverage, I'm guessing that they requested that they be removed.

He mentioned getting some warnings from Security in stadium as well.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Eh, .296 BA in college is slightly decent.

I don’t know if that’s an example I would use.

You missed the point

 

[DVontel]

You missed the point

Nah, I didn’t miss it, I made sure not to, it just wasn’t really a good one.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Thank you for sharing. A major difference in this is that in baseball, you are mostly responsible for your own success and/or failure. Regardless if you are fielding or batting, you mostly determine your success on a play individually. Ultimately, there are less people to pass blame on to.

What is different about football is that your success or failure on a play as a QB is almost completely dependent on others. As a QB, you can do everything correct, but if your LG misses his block, you can fail. You can make the right read and deliver a perfect pass, but if your WR runs the wrong route or drops the ball, it is an INT or an in-completion. And what makes this even more difficult is that all of the blame still comes back to you since you are the QB.

The type of failure that Murray may have to overcome, and has never shown he can in his playing history, is the ability to overcome a lack of talent on the team he is playing for in relation to the team he is playing against. When the Cardinals are the lesser talented team, how can he adjust his play to navigate those waters and still lead the team to victory.

Hmmmm. That's a fair point. This will probably be the weakest team he's ever been on, in terms of how it compares to the other teams in its same league. It will be truly fascinating to see how it plays out.

To Murray's credit, he's hailed as an "ultimate competitor" by his coaches and peers (so at least he won't quit), although this is not evidenced by a lot of bravado displayed during games, or interviews, which is in contrast to his immediate predecessor at OU, Baker Mayfield. I have to admit I prefer Murray's more stoic approach however.

But to your point Chopper, how Murray responds to three dropped passes in a row will tell us a lot about his composure, and leadership ability, and will be a determining factor in whether or not he ultimately succeeds in the NFL.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Lol. I gave up on a burner account when people got sick of my 25 UDFA pre-season Cardinals sleepers lists, my disgust for Patrick Peterson, and complained about all of my Patriots comps.

Oh God

 

[Ronin]

https://sports.yahoo.com/kyler-murray-expectations-don-t-095707060.html

 

[Ronin]

Needs work: Murray has not struggled much early in camp. Sure, there are passes that are too high or too wide, but they have been rare. The biggest issue that's noticeable is how he starts 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 periods slowly, whether that means missing often during his first few passes or throwing an interception. He usually calms down quickly, and when he does, he's deadly accurate, rattling off sometimes 10 or more consecutive completions. His slow starts are worrisome only because they raise the possibility that he could start games the same way. One interception early in the first quarter could be a game-changer.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...qbs-assessing-murray-jones-haskins-first-week

 

[Chopper0080]

Hmmmm. That's a fair point. This will probably be the weakest team he's ever been on, in terms of how it compares to the other teams in its same league. It will be truly fascinating to see how it plays out.

To Murray's credit, he's hailed as an "ultimate competitor" by his coaches and peers (so at least he won't quit), although this is not evidenced by a lot of bravado displayed during games, or interviews, which is in contrast to his immediate predecessor at OU, Baker Mayfield. I have to admit I prefer Murray's more stoic approach however.

But to your point Chopper, how Murray responds to three dropped passes in a row will tell us a lot about his composure, and leadership ability, and will be a determining factor in whether or not he ultimately succeeds in the NFL.

and I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that everything that Murray HASN'T shown he can do up to this point, aren't things that that he ultimately CAN'T do.

 

[slanidrac16]

Publicity isn't worth much in this day and age though. It'll just make the fall worse if it happens.

This board would be blowing up today if we had passed on Murray and we had to listen to the media reports on how he was lighting up Giants camp or somewhere else. Especially if Rosen was here and struggling. That being said he probably might be struggling a bit trying to learn a typical pro offense.

 

[Solar7]

This board would be blowing up today if we had passed on Murray and we had to listen to the media reports on how he was lighting up Giants camp or somewhere else. Especially if Rosen was here and struggling. That being said he probably might be struggling a bit trying to learn a typical pro offense.

In my opinion, the media narrative changes in that situation.

Rosen here would probably show a really intelligent command of the offense while developing with K2, while players with the Giants wouldn’t dare talk about Murray succeeding all that much with it clear that Eli Manning is the starter.

 

[kerouac9]

This board would be blowing up today if we had passed on Murray and we had to listen to the media reports on how he was lighting up Giants camp or somewhere else. Especially if Rosen was here and struggling. That being said he probably might be struggling a bit trying to learn a typical pro offense.

I dunno. We'd probably have 80% of the reports that we're getting now, only they'd be about Nick Bosa owning D.J. Humphries. There'd be perhaps tepid reviews of the "learning process" that Rosen is going through, but people would talk about his poise and how hard he's working. Then there'd be dead-enders talking about how Murray is doing.

I don't know where Murray would've been taken if we'd passed on him. It's an interesting thought experiment.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I dunno. We'd probably have 80% of the reports that we're getting now, only they'd be about Nick Bosa owning D.J. Humphries. There'd be perhaps tepid reviews of the "learning process" that Rosen is going through, but people would talk about his poise and how hard he's working. Then there'd be dead-enders talking about how Murray is doing.

I don't know where Murray would've been taken if we'd passed on him. It's an interesting thought experiment.

If we didn't take Murray, would we have taken Bosa? Or, perhaps trade the pick? Hmmmmm....

 

[kerouac9]

If we didn't take Murray, would we have taken Bosa? Or, perhaps trade the pick? Hmmmmm....

Or we could have videos like this one:

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[b8rtm8nn]

Or we could have videos like this one:

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You can never have enough first round DLine picks on your 5-11 team.

 

[PACardsFan]

This board would be blowing up today if we had passed on Murray and we had to listen to the media reports on how he was lighting up Giants camp or somewhere else. Especially if Rosen was here and struggling. That being said he probably might be struggling a bit trying to learn a typical pro offense.

If we didn't take Murray, I'm convinced that the Niners would have. Then I would have been miserable. As a kid, I always loved the Raiders during the Madden years. So, I would have survived had Murray ended up there or with the Giants (I grew up in NYS).

 

[TJ]

If we didn't take Murray, I'm convinced that the Niners would have. Then I would have been miserable. As a kid, I always loved the Raiders during the Madden years. So, I would have survived had Murray ended up there or with the Giants (I grew up in NYS).

If we didn’t take him, he likely would’ve slid out of the Top-10. The demand for Murray was far less than people believed

 

[kerouac9]

If we didn’t take him, he likely would’ve slid out of the Top-10. The demand for Murray was far less than people believed

I don't think we need to go back down this road. We'll never know for sure, and it doesn't matter at this point, anyway.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

and I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that everything that Murray HASN'T shown he can do up to this point, aren't things that that he ultimately CAN'T do.

Excellent. Of all the Murray skeptics, your the most reasonable and rational Chopper (Kerouac9 is too much of an instigator. ). There's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, and your takes are appreciated.

Your comment made me think of something I've been turning over in my mind for a couple of weeks.

We've talked a lot about how all draftees have the potential to underachieve, or bust out, and how this certainly applies to Murray. And, a lot of people have offered the view that Murray is exceptionally risky, either because of his height, or baseball background, or whatever.

But Chopper, when I watch the tape, listen to Murray's interviews, and read the practice reports, I have the opposite conclusion.

I think Murray is less likely (than average) to underachieve for his draft position. I think it's going hard for him to fail, and that there will have to be a combination of circumstances (e.g. bad coaching + bad oline play) to create a situation where he won't be a star.

You mention things that Murray hasn't shown he can do. There are obviously a lot of those, as they relate to playing at the NFL level. But don't be too surprised sir, when he accomplishes them.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Will be viewed as one of the most imbecilic or genius moves in the history of the draft. I am hoping for the latter. I think we will know early on

 

[Chopper0080]

Excellent. Of all the Murray skeptics, your the most reasonable and rational Chopper (Kerouac9 is too much of an instigator. ). There's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, and your takes are appreciated.

Your comment made me think of something I've been turning over in my mind for a couple of weeks.

We've talked a lot about how all draftees have the potential to underachieve, or bust out, and how this certainly applies to Murray. And, a lot of people have offered the view that Murray is exceptionally risky, either because of his height, or baseball background, or whatever.

But Chopper, when I watch the tape, listen to Murray's interviews, and read the practice reports, I have the opposite conclusion.

I think Murray is less likely (than average) to underachieve for his draft position. I think it's going hard for him to fail, and that there will have to be a combination of circumstances (e.g. bad coaching + bad oline play) to create a situation where he won't be a star.

You mention things that Murray hasn't shown he can do. There are obviously a lot of those, as they relate to playing at the NFL level. But don't be too surprised sir, when he accomplishes them.

You may very well be correct. There are just a bunch of red flags for me (which are well documented) that don't seem to matter much for others. I am ok with that. If Murray is awesome, I win. I get to watch competitive football for the foreseeable future. If he isn't, I am stuck watching bad franchise even if it means I won a meaningless internet draft debate. I know which option I would prefer.

 

[Solar7]

Will be viewed as one of the most imbecilic or genius moves in the history of the draft. I am hoping for the latter. I think we will know early on

As a Kyler detractor, at the moment, I have a better feel for his character, and I feel less inclined to think he'll burn out like the guys on the Jamarcus Russell or Akili Smith level, where things were influenced by drugs or poor personality-based performance.

But yes, we'll either be magicians, or the same old Cardinals.

 

[Jetstream Green]

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[JeffGollin]

As a Kyler detractor, at the moment, I have a better feel for his character, and I feel less inclined to think he'll burn out like the guys on the Jamarcus Russell or Akili Smith level, where things were influenced by drugs or poor personality-based performance.

But yes, we'll either be magicians, or the same old Cardinals.

The thing you worry about with what I'd call "magical" athletes is: What happens if and when the magic disappears?

Hot-shots often burn out.

Gotta hope K1 is one of the exceptions.

 

[DVontel]

Man, I would really hate it if Kyler was 6’5.

He would be like Cam, Wentz, & Watson trying to run through dudes more times than not, leading to injury.

 

[football karma]

if it means I won a meaningless internet draft debate.

ha -- thats why half of us are here!