Time to trade David Johnson

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  1. kerouac9

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    Who are you going to start at RB if you trade David Johnson? It's weird that people can hate Keim, when this is just the type of move that Keim would make: If someone doesn't meet an absolute value level, move on without a replacement.

    I think we've probably seen peak David Johnson. I don't know that he can be better than we saw in 2016, or even as good. What I do know is that he's better than what we saw this season, and we've seen it in flashes.
     
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    They have value in a trading market, when depth is needed and their talent hasn't increased the win total. Maybe?
     
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    We can't and should not trade DJ, but it is just another example of Keim's bad moves.

    He paid him like he played lights out in a contract year. Had he not done that we'd likely be getting DJ signed for a lot less and had more cap space to maneuver.

    The thing with RBs is you should only be giving them big money in a non-contract year when they have played next level consistently for two or seasons. DJ had a great rookie year, but the fact remains there have been many RBs who flashed and then sputtered. Kiem got all antsy and pulled the trigger too quick. Also, it isn't a rare thing for even 2nd and 3rd string RBs on a good offense behind a a good line put up starting RB stats when the #1 goes down. You just don't put a ton of money into an RB unless they are without a doubt irreplaceable.

    Maybe DJ is the best RB in the league but if our team can't utilize him to get elite production then it doesn't warrant elite paydays - not to us. SK gets rolled quite a bit with his "key player" contracts. If former players are to be believed perhaps we have to pay them early and too much to keep them around because many of the players don't like the org.
     
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    I don't want to trade DJ, that would be silly. But DJ and Chase had basically identical YPC, so it's not like we would just play without a RB. One can argue we didn't use DJ effectively or our line was poor at run blocking, but if Chase took DJs snaps this year it's not like we would be in any worse of a position.
     
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    Of course we would have, because a worse player would be taking Edmonds’ snaps...
     
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    Edmonds showed flashes but he is also tiny and one hit away from out for the season or forever! He is a good change of pace back not an every down back imho.
     
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    This argument is bad. DJ is also one hit away, as we saw just last season.
     
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    football karma formerly known as En Fuego

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    I was a proponent of extending DJ

    I do think the offensive mess-- both scheme and o line -- has impacted DJ

    but I noticed this as well. its like his instincts as a RB have disappeared
     
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    He'll be fine relax.
     
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    The best way to make investment in a good o line is to fire Steve Keim. I am still high on DJ. If cards trade him it will be another Garrisons Hearst situation.
     
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    So much starts up front on offense and defense we really need to address this big time next offseason.

    Rebuilding is going to be a process I didn’t expect us to fix everything in one offseason and no one should have.

    We need an offensive line in the worst way
     
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    Yeah I know
    So weird a former lineman isn't able to evaluate talent
     
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    Lol at the thread

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