the "What Ended Season 2022?" thread

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yes, in regards to adding a piece, they're saying, "hindsight is 20/20" -- but the history was there and clear to see.

Booker had hamstring issues over multiple seasons, including last year's playoffs, Paul's health risks were similarly known and predictable and Payton and Shamet were consistently unproductive this season before the trade deadline

i remember ranting about Payne being a 3rd string pg -- a CP1 and we needed a CP2 level backup

Payne has moved down my Suns depth chart to 3rd point guard and still I'd want a 4th point guard that can play.

The reason the Suns need so many point guards is few can create their own shot.
 
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the "All The Right Moves" clip in the Monty thread clearly outlines the defensive adjustments that Dallas made and adjustments that Monty didn't make -- which was key to Dallas' turn-around. They knew exactly what was working by game 7, and were able to double their blowout from game 6

but it wasn't just Dallas's defense. both games, we missed the good looks we got too, because they broke our spirit
 
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a new puzzle piece (pure speculation) to the timeline that ended season 2022:
(as i posted in another thread but is most relevant here)

* after the game 6 blowout the Suns have a heated meeting. Someone (likely Paul) strongly suggested adjustments but Monty strongly suggested they, essentially, shut up and follow his plan, which is to continue to play the Suns ball that got them there -- that they just need to play better, not different. So, when Paul is asked by the media for his opinions, he simply says it's not life or death and i have nothing more to say. When game 7 starts bad, the player's doubts are confirmed and the death spiral begins.
 
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and, as is relevant to what's going on in the the "Why..." and "Monty," "Monty and Paul don't like each other," and "Team is breaking up" threads, i have to say i believe it was and still is an OVER-REACTION on everyone's part, including ours.

relationships can't sustain an "everything is beautiful" mindset forever.
it probably ended so bad, because it couldn't keep being so good
-- in a locker room full of elite athlete's egos, strong opinions and body odor

i believe there was and still is an above average degree of love and respect among this group but it was put to the test at the worst time, the honeymoon ended, doubts surfaced, and someone stormed out and mentioned a divorce

but if it was a couple they'd be curled up on the couch with popcorn and Netflix next week. Ayton too. he's just a child who wants to run away from home right now because no one understands him.

but the hard reality is this family has a job to do, and one's too nice, one's too old, one's too young, one misses too many 3's in the first quarter, etc..

and probably for lack of just a few adjustments this week, there will have to be some hard adjustments this summer
 

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If we lose our #1 pick James Jones is no longer my hero.
Depends… if we lose Ayton but gain better players it is what it is. I believe if Ayton doesn’t stay here honestly it’s because HE doesn’t want to be here anymore.
 
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(pure speculation)
* after the game 6 blowout the Suns have a heated meeting. Someone (likely Paul) strongly suggested adjustments but Monty strongly suggested they, essentially, shut up and follow his plan, which is to continue to play the Suns ball that got them there -- that they just need to play better, not different. So, when Paul is asked by the media for his opinions, he simply says it's not life or death and i have nothing more to say. When game 7 starts bad, the player's doubts are confirmed and the death spiral begins.
tying up 3 more loose ends...

1. another clue is Monty allegedly telling Ayton "you quit" during the game.
it's out of character for Monty to single out and call-out a player
unless
he felt Ayton was being spiteful after a locker-room disagreement about the game plan/execution

2. regarding Payne posting about the injuries to him, Paul, and Booker...
framing that kind of news like a rogue post is a convenient way for the team/their PR people to get the word out without officially making excuses. i do believe they probably had injuries that would have kept 2 of the 3 out during a regular season game. But, it is not uncommon for players to play in big playoff games with, perhaps, similar physical issues

3. the Warriors relatively easy dispatch of the Mavs is further indication of of an "internal issue" being a key part of our collapse
 

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tying up 3 more loose ends...

1. another clue is Monty allegedly telling Ayton "you quit" during the game.
it's out of character for Monty to single out and call-out a player
unless
he felt Ayton was being spiteful after a locker-room disagreement about the game plan/execution

2. regarding Payne posting about the injuries to him, Paul, and Booker...
framing that kind of news like a rogue post is a convenient way for the team/their PR people to get the word out without officially making excuses. i do believe they probably had injuries that would have kept 2 of the 3 out during a regular season game. But, it is not uncommon for players to play in big playoff games with, perhaps, similar physical issues

3. the Warriors relatively easy dispatch of the Mavs is further indication of of an "internal issue" being a key part of our collapse
Regarding 2, I’ve been told that was a fake.
 
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yeah, i don't think Payne would say, "it's not a fair series." but i still think Paul's hand was an ongoing issue. Booker seemed to be moving well but given his hamstring history it could also have been an issue. I just wish the Suns would do the right thing and let the fans know what was up. I don't recall the details, but there was some reporting of health issues many months after our Finals exit.
 

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yeah, i don't think Payne would say, "it's not a fair series." but i still think Paul's hand was an ongoing issue. Booker seemed to be moving well but given his hamstring history it could also have been an issue. I just wish the Suns would do the right thing and let the fans know what was up. I don't recall the details, but there was some reporting of health issues many months after our Finals exit.
Lingering injury issues can't explain the difference between a team that won Game 5 handily and was blown off the court in both Games 6 and 7.
 
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