the "What Ended Season 2022?" thread

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Perhaps? Clearly we were spent but part of that equation is Monty not using the bench enough to limit minutes played by our starters. As you stated other teams as well, but CP3 should have been a priority all year know what happened last season!
Paul got A MONTH OF REST. This has happened EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER. Him wearing down in the playoffs is unavoidable, especially at age 37.
 
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some points made here and on talk radio are leaving out an important detail.
to be fair, Monty was between a rock and a hard place. 3 key points:

1. Monty did rely too much on Paul in the regular season and in the playoffs
-- because way too often the team was not getting it done!
how many times did we all see games slipping away early in the 4th and say, damn, get Paul in there?

if Monty hadn't, as he speculated, "worn Chris out" we wouldn't have earned the #1 seed with the home court advantage and we wouldn't have gotten past the Pelicans. There's a lot of talk about Paul costing us the Mavs series, but he almost single-handedly GOT US TO the Mavs series!

rock and a hard place -- everyone else was inconsistent, at best

2. now there's talk about only maxing Ayton if we play him the right way, and maybe moving Paul.
unless you want to re-write history, you know that Paul's playmaking revived and advanced Ayton's career, as well as McGee, and the decay of our center position advantage in the Mavs series correlated with Paul's decay

rock and a hard place -- the Suns drifted away from working Ayton and McGee when they were having trouble getting the ball to them in position. A mix of Mavs good defense and Ayton's ongoing inability to aggressively get good position, hang on to the ball, and "throw it down, big fella!"

3. half a Chris Paul was probably better than no Chris Paul. Payne was a worse liability on both offense and defense. Shamet is, well, Shamet. Booker had 8 turnovers and 5 in the last 2 games and already had his hands full with double teaming.

the valid Monty criticism is not playing Holiday, even if only for the consistent scoring we were missing from all the other role players -- but as a playmaker, Holiday would not have improved our vanishing advantage at center (though, perhaps if he had replaced Payne in the regular season he would have learned our system well)

3 rocks. 3 hard places. and the Suns collapsed in the middle
 

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some points made here and on talk radio are leaving out an important detail.
to be fair, Monty was between a rock and a hard place. 3 key points:

1. Monty did rely too much on Paul in the regular season and in the playoffs
-- because way too often the team was not getting it done!
how many times did we all see games slipping away early in the 4th and say, damn, get Paul in there?

if Monty hadn't, as he speculated, "worn Chris out" we wouldn't have earned the #1 seed with the home court advantage and we wouldn't have gotten past the Pelicans. There's a lot of talk about Paul costing us the Mavs series, but he almost single-handedly GOT US TO the Mavs series!

rock and a hard place -- everyone else was inconsistent, at best

2. now there's talk about only maxing Ayton if we play him the right way, and maybe moving Paul.
unless you want to re-write history, you know that Paul's playmaking revived and advanced Ayton's career, as well as McGee, and the decay of our center position advantage in the Mavs series correlated with Paul's decay

rock and a hard place -- the Suns drifted away from working Ayton and McGee when they were having trouble getting the ball to them in position. A mix of Mavs good defense and Ayton's ongoing inability to aggressively get good position, hang on to the ball, and "throw it down, big fella!"

3. half a Chris Paul was probably better than no Chris Paul. Payne was a worse liability on both offense and defense. Shamet is, well, Shamet. Booker had 8 turnovers and 5 in the last 2 games and already had his hands full with double teaming.

the valid Monty criticism is not playing Holiday, even if only for the consistent scoring we were missing from all the other role players -- but as a playmaker, Holiday would not have improved our vanishing advantage at center (though, perhaps if he had replaced Payne in the regular season he would have learned our system well)

3 rocks. 3 hard places. and the Suns collapsed in the middle
This is pretty spot on.

And now the team is in between a rock and a hard place with Ayton.
 
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yes, we can only hope to pick the better of some bad options.
i'd prefer whatever gives us one more crack at it next season before we start working on the next "timeline"
 
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without knowing what went on behind the scenes/in the locker-room that contributed to the melt-down, it's too hard for anyone to speculate on what moves the Suns should make?
 

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without knowing what went on behind the scenes/in the locker-room that contributed to the melt-down, it's too hard for anyone to speculate on what moves the Suns should make?

Certainly it is harder to give a more informed opinion without more knowledge.

There are obvious issues that need to be addressed such as point guard.
 

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They guys on the radio were saying the Suns had a legit shot at landing Eric Gordon. I remember thinking at the time that would be huge if we could get him. If the Suns had? I think we are still playing and likely headed for our first title. The Suns didn't want to take on the salary thinking that Paul/Booker would be enough, and that Payne would come around.

UGH!
 
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yes, in regards to adding a piece, they're saying, "hindsight is 20/20" -- but the history was there and clear to see.

Booker had hamstring issues over multiple seasons, including last year's playoffs, Paul's health risks were similarly known and predictable and Payton and Shamet were consistently unproductive this season before the trade deadline

i remember ranting about Payne being a 3rd string pg -- a CP1 and we needed a CP2 level backup
 

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I want to amend what I said above. Two moves I wanted. Eric Gordon and/or a move for a legit PF. I think we are still playing if we were aggressive and not passive at the deadline.
 

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yes, in regards to adding a piece, they're saying, "hindsight is 20/20" -- but the history was there and clear to see.

Booker had hamstring issues over multiple seasons, including last year's playoffs, Paul's health risks were similarly known and predictable and Payton and Shamet were consistently unproductive this season before the trade deadline

i remember ranting about Payne being a 3rd string pg -- a CP1 and we needed a CP2 level backup
I personally foresaw Holiday as that second string PG2 after Paul when we traded for him, and he played well the first few games after the trade. Then Paul got back to the starting lineup and Monty, for whatever unknown reason, refused to play him in front of Payne, when everyone could clearly see that holiday is a better player and contributes more even with the limited playing time.
 

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They guys on the radio were saying the Suns had a legit shot at landing Eric Gordon. I remember thinking at the time that would be huge if we could get him. If the Suns had? I think we are still playing and likely headed for our first title. The Suns didn't want to take on the salary thinking that Paul/Booker would be enough, and that Payne would come around.

UGH!
While that money was comfortably thrown to Shamet.
 
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