Suns trade for Royce O'Neale and David Roddy

[Chaplin]

We do have the ability to extend both O'Neale and Grayson, both of which fit the profile of guys we'll want moving forward. At this point, you have Book/Beal/Durant/Nurk/Allen/O'Neale as your top 6, and Gordon and other min ring chasers. It's not perfect, but we didn't have any other great path moving forward regardless. We've won 17 of our last 23 while still figuring things out, so I'm feeling much better about our chances moving forward.

And with that group we will continue to be a top 5 destination in the NBA.

 

[Phrazbit]

We can still trade Little, no?

Yeah, but we can't combine players to pick up a guy making more money, which is why I mentioned the draft pick.

Dude's drafted between 20-25 don't make much so it will be really hard to trade it for anything.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, looks like we should start peeking at mock drafts.

If we can't aggregate salaries in trades then we're almost certainly keeping using that pick ourselves.

it's criminal if this team continues to let James Jones blow off the draft. Teams like the Heat consistently find guys who can at least be rotation players as rookies. We need to start doing the same.

 

[Superbone]

it's criminal if this team continues to let James Jones blow off the draft. Teams like the Heat consistently find guys who can at least be rotation players as rookies. We need to start doing the same.

Where's our Podziemski and Jaquez Jr? Well, we kind of had him in Camara but had to give him up to get rid of that #1 overall pick bum.

 

[CardNots]

Sometimes people would rather be right in predicting bad things than wrong and having good things happen.

Makes em feel smart

 

[JCSunsfan]

For you're consideration.
Big Body Roddy

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Seems like an Ish Wainright type

Ha! Wide body, moves ok. 8 inch vert. Yikes. He bounces like a water balloon.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's incredible - we get a billionaire owner and the NBA literally cracks down on spending the following year - but this is the way

I would not be surprised to learn Server played a key role in some of the financial restrictions added to the CBA this last go around. He was super cheap and said to be a loud voice back when there was the lockout a decade back.

 

[Mainstreet]

As I understand it, with the new CBA rules the Suns should be able to do the following:

1. Draft a player with their first round pick in alternate years.

2. Be able to trade their first round pick for a young player on a low salary. Maybe a team would include a second round pick as well.

3. Trade down in the draft for additional picks, likely second round picks.

4. Sign free agents for the vet minimum.

5. Sign undrafted free agents.

6. Make trades within the CBA restrictions.

To James Jones credit, he is adding players he can extend and add players like David Roddy on multiyear contracts and Nassir Little.

He did draft Toumani Camara so there has to be some scouting going on.

The Suns will be adding a G-League team, hopefully within the next year, so scouting should become a priority.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Really like this trade roddy will be nice to pair with nurik on def should be good for reb blocks box outs

Lookin forward to gs gm now even more watchin new players!! Fingers crossed both work out in phonix

I fig wouldnt get bridges the cost to much prob wish him big luck on his team

Bong hit lemon haze kush to deal succeding

 

[Hoop Head]

And with that group we will continue to be a top 5 destination in the NBA.

We'll see what happens but I think trading away virtually all of the minimum signings we made won't make some guys so eager to come here. Yuta and KBD were reportedly offered more elsewhere but chose Phoenix. I don't imagine either thought they'd end up on lottery teams.

We'll see what happens, players want to win, but anything short of a conference finals run and we could fall down that destination list. I know Monty not using our bench and Terrence Ross last year didn't help make us a destination, which is another reason Monty needed to be replaced. Vogel doesn't have the same issues playing favorites but his rotations have definitely left some questions. Hopefully Royce is used regularly and has a defined role so we don't make it harder to attract any free agents.

 

[Chaplin]

We'll see what happens but I think trading away virtually all of the minimum signings we made won't make some guys so eager to come here. Yuta and KBD were reportedly offered more elsewhere but chose Phoenix. I don't imagine either thought they'd end up on lottery teams.

We'll see what happens, players want to win, but anything short of a conference finals run and we could fall down that destination list. I know Monty not using our bench and Terrence Ross last year didn't help make us a destination, which is another reason Monty needed to be replaced. Vogel doesn't have the same issues playing favorites but his rotations have definitely left some questions. Hopefully Royce is used regularly and has a defined role so we don't make it harder to attract any free agents.

Gotta disagree with you there. NBA players aren't stupid. They know that Yuta and KBD weren't playing well here. You want to be part of a championship team? Come on in. Prove you can hang with us and you'll have a future. If you don't, then bye bye. If potential players don't understand it's a business, then we might not want them here anyway.

 

[Adrian]

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[JCSunsfan]

Finding a really solid 8 man rotation is key for this team. It does not do much good to have a string of players 6-12 deep that are all virtually the same in mediocre impact. Sounds like the players and teams around the league see ONeal as a significant defensive player. Hoping he can play a Mikal type of role for us.

I do not have much expectation for Roddy. Haven't seen a body like that in the league since Charles. However, Chuck could jump.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Finding a really solid 8 man rotation is key for this team. It does not do much good to have a string of players 6-12 deep that are all virtually the same in mediocre impact. Sounds like the players and teams around the league see ONeal as a significant defensive player. Hoping he can play a Mikal type of role for us.

I do not have much expectation for Roddy. Haven't seen a body like that in the league since Charles. However, Chuck could jump.

Looks like we found a 7th guy with Royce. Guessing the 8th guy will be matchup dependent. Could be Okogie, Eubanks or even Bol depending on the matchup.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm lamenting the picks we don't have once KD is gone or so old he is ineffective.

By then bol will dominating.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Your lamenting something... in 2027... 3 years from now? When salary cap will be cleared once KD is gone and we could possibly find another star to take his place next to Booker? And when we'd have more picks to trade because we could then trade picks in the 2030s to try and get more talent?

Exactly.

But let’s be miserable now. 3 years before we know how any of that unfolds.

 

[Raindog]

By then bol will dominating.

Gee, let's hope.

A lot of people seem to forget he was a top 5 or so recruit out of high school. So it's not like he was just some extra tall dude they found on the street somewhere that they talked into playing basketball (more or less, what his father was). He's still raw but if he gets experience and good coaching, he could turn into something.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Will it still be double apron without KDs salary and leaps in salary cap?

 

[Covert Rain]

Will it still be double apron without KDs salary and leaps in salary cap?

"For 2023-24, the salary cap is $136 million and the tax level is $165.294 million. So to be above the second apron, a team’s payroll this season would have to be over $182 million."

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We are at 190 Million and Durant makes 47 Million this year. So, I believe based on these links shedding Durant or Beal's contract would get us under the 2nd Apron.

Phoenix Suns Team Payroll | Basketball-Reference.com

Payroll summary for the Phoenix Suns

www.basketball-reference.com

 

[Yuma]

Do we have any 2nd round picks left? This is our team for the foreseeable future.

It was about getting a guy we could resign like Allen. These guys will have higher salaries, which increases the level of guys we could trade for if we trade this guys. I have heard that some teams buy second round picks from other teams. That would fit right in with Ishbia.

 

[Yuma]

For you're consideration.
Big Body Roddy

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Seems like an Ish Wainright type

Guy looks like he has good handles for a big.

 

[Yuma]

It was about getting a guy we could resign like Allen. These guys will have higher salaries, which increases the level of guys we could trade for if we trade this guys. I have heard that some teams buy second round picks from other teams. That would fit right in with Ishbia.

We might not be able to buy 2cnd round picks, if that is considered a "trade" from the rules listed above.

 

[Yuma]

And with that group we will continue to be a top 5 destination in the NBA.

Bol Bol was saying KD was his favorite player as a young man. He said playing and learning from KD was one of the main reasons he wanted to come to PHX. I imagine other players have similar thoughts about playing with Book, Beal, KD, etc.

 

[Hoop Head]

We might not be able to buy 2cnd round picks, if that is considered a "trade" from the rules listed above.

We can't buy 2nd rounders going forward because we are unable to use cash as part of trades. Teams get a pot, I believe $6 million, to use each NBA year to add to deals but 2nd apron teams don't. So buying 2nd rounders is out.

I believe we'll trade our 1st round pick on draft night for multiple 2nd round picks. That seems the easiest, and one of the only, ways we can replenish our stash of picks.

 

[Phrazbit]

We can't buy 2nd rounders going forward because we are unable to use cash as part of trades. Teams get a pot, I believe $6 million, to use each NBA year to add to deals but 2nd apron teams don't. So buying 2nd rounders is out.

I believe we'll trade our 1st round pick on draft night for multiple 2nd round picks. That seems the easiest, and one of the only, ways we can replenish our stash of picks.

I don't see why we'd do that. The odds of finding a decent player using one pick in the early-mid 20s are far far greater than even like... 10 second round picks.