Suns trade for Center Mark Williams

[Yuma]

Its a shame he went down just as Green was coming back, as I feel Green is one of the few on this team who can find our bigs. There's been more than times to count how many times he's had a mouse in the house on him to not get him the ball, really notable in transition too. Williams should be averaging at least 15 a game.

On a silver lining, no techs for Brooks, and it is giving Green minutes to get his rhythm back.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

i love mark williams but come on - or should i say khaman because that's our future

i couldn't be happier with how mark williams has played but once again - he's looking to get paid this offseason - so is gillespie

it's very hard to dictate what life without williams could be like because dillon brooks has also simultaneously been out the whole time but i don't think oso was to blame for the 5 game skid - he's actually discovering his offense

that and maluach HAS TO play back up next year - he just has to

i want mark williams to stay - i want him to get healthy before the playoffs because he gives us the best chance to win - i love mark williams but there are 2 likely outcomes

1) he does get healthy - balls out in the playoffs - wants a nice payday - agent demands more than a 1 year prove it deal if he finishes the year healthy guaranteed

2) he doesn't get healthy and misses time in the playoffs - the talks start up again about him holding up

then there's a 3rd world - in this dimension our staff saw a little something something and rested mark williams ahead of the playoffs - it would benefit both williams and the team and we needed to get maluach minutes (this year) regardless

this is all collin gillespie's fault lol and bradley beal's too as i think we're still paying him?

i have no clue what gillespie will want but we want him man - we need him more so than mark williams imo

 

[95pro]

i love mark williams but come on - or should i say khaman because that's our future

i couldn't be happier with how mark williams has played but once again - he's looking to get paid this offseason - so is gillespie

it's very hard to dictate what life without williams could be like because dillon brooks has also simultaneously been out the whole time but i don't think oso was to blame for the 5 game skid - he's actually discovering his offense

that and maluach HAS TO play back up next year - he just has to

i want mark williams to stay - i want him to get healthy before the playoffs because he gives us the best chance to win - i love mark williams but there are 2 likely outcomes

1) he does get healthy - balls out in the playoffs - wants a nice payday - agent demands more than a 1 year prove it deal if he finishes the year healthy guaranteed

2) he doesn't get healthy and misses time in the playoffs - the talks start up again about him holding up

then there's a 3rd world - in this dimension our staff saw a little something something and rested mark williams ahead of the playoffs - it would benefit both williams and the team and we needed to get maluach minutes (this year) regardless

this is all collin gillespie's fault lol and bradley beal's too as i think we're still paying him?

i have no clue what gillespie will want but we want him man - we need him more so than mark williams imo

Well he's restricted so there's that going for us, also his injury history will remove some potential buyers. Either way someone will take a flyer on him, us included. Center depth is something we've struggled with until this season where we actually had 4 centers (still 4, have if you say Flem is a small ball center).

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Well he's restricted so there's that going for us, also his injury history will remove some potential buyers. Either way someone will take a flyer on him, us included. Center depth is something we've struggled with until this season where we actually had 4 centers (still 4, have if you say Flem is a small ball center).

if he plays well in the playoffs i think he's a goner - we can't do a long term contract - we need productive players on rookie contracts to get our finances in order - that's oso and maluach

 

[95pro]

Does he just need to break it to get it fixed? Or what will make this guy 100 for a full season?

 

[Hoop Head]

Does he just need to break it to get it fixed? Or what will make this guy 100 for a full season?

It sounds like a common big man problem. Humans aren't meant to be 7 feet tall and there's a number of guys who didn't make it due to repeated foot and ankle injuries. There's always some hope that once they stop growing that things Improve, which is where Mark is at age wise and he did set a personal record for games played as well.

I wonder if they can dope him up with HGH or something in the offseason, let him heal before next year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Does he just need to break it to get it fixed? Or what will make this guy 100 for a full season?

I don't want to be the team that spends any more money or roster space to find out. Every year he's had a problem with his feet. At a young age. We blew two first round picks on him... we shouldn't waste any more capital in any way, IMO. Just too unreliable.

 

[Chaplin]

He played in 60 games this year. This was his CAREER HIGH. We can't pay a ton of money for that.

 

[Phrazbit]

He played in 60 games this year. This was his CAREER HIGH. We can't pay a ton of money for that.

And that was with us using him as gently as possible. No back to backs, not even 24 minutes a night.

I'd like him back, he's a good player but it's gotta be a one year deal or one with some kickers based on games played.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And that was with us using him as gently as possible. No back to backs, not even 24 minutes a night.

I'd like him back, he's a good player but it's gotta be a one year deal or one with some kickers based on games played.

agreed. bare minimum type of a deal (not literally, but y'all know what I mean).

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Does he just need to break it to get it fixed? Or what will make this guy 100 for a full season?

i don't see the foot getting better - i think he has to rest a day after games or there's the danger he re-aggravates the pre-existing injury

when we played the lakers earlier in the season williams and ayton had to be separated - ayton was talking all kinds of smack but i couldn't tell what he was saying

then on twitter there was an account who got most of the altercation with text included - i remember because the text said "knee" but i swore i heard ayton say feet

basically it williams saying ayton was soft with ayton responding "your knee is trash" but again i thought i heard feet

so after a amateur google search i read about the left foot and it likely being the reason the lakers passed - and then also how ayton knew about it - possibly through becoming a laker

long story short - i like having a break glass incase of emergency center but what if the emergency extends to the next night? then what? if we have 3 centers and 1 goes down are we only supposed to still sit williams on back to backs leaving us with 1 center again? probably oso? idk muchacho

 

[Hoop Head]

Just to reiterate the point, the Suns didn't really trade 2 valuable 1st round picks for Williams last year. They dealt the 29th pick from last year and an already leveraged 1st in 2029 for Williams. It is technically 2 1sts but given the fact that one of them has conveyed and what Williams provided was greater than that pick would have provided, it's a wash. I'm fairly sure the pick would have been the worst between us, Brooklyn. Washington. and Utah. I've seen 3 teams with swap rights continually which basically makes the pick a late 1st.

 

[Yuma]

I was listening to Kellen Olsen and he brought up we could give him an offer sheet for around $9 million. Olsen said these haven't been used much on restrictive free agents in recent past seasons, but Williams could bet on himself and accept the offer sheet, and then be an unrestrictive free agent after the season. We could trade Williams if there was interest, but not until sometime in December. This is just a possible option, but not a probable one. Olsen was throwing it out there to cover all the bases.

 

[Hoop Head]

I was listening to Kellen Olsen and he brought up we could give him an offer sheet for around $9 million. Olsen said these haven't been used much on restrictive free agents in recent past seasons, but Williams could bet on himself and accept the offer sheet, and then be an unrestrictive free agent after the season. We could trade Williams if there was interest, but not until sometime in December. This is just a possible option, but not a probable one. Olsen was throwing it out there to cover all the bases.

We're definitely extending the qualifying offer. It's on him and the front office whether a further deal can be reached but we didn't acquire him for just 1 season. We have this next season under control also. I don't think he's proven anything for a raise so ultimately he can hardball us but the FO needs to hold firm on their offer and not exceeding the amount of the QO unless it's done through a games played incentive.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just to reiterate the point, the Suns didn't really trade 2 valuable 1st round picks for Williams last year. They dealt the 29th pick from last year and an already leveraged 1st in 2029 for Williams. It is technically 2 1sts but given the fact that one of them has conveyed and what Williams provided was greater than that pick would have provided, it's a wash. I'm fairly sure the pick would have been the worst between us, Brooklyn. Washington. and Utah. I've seen 3 teams with swap rights continually which basically makes the pick a late 1st.

If those are the teams that our pick bounces between, you’re talking about three historically awful franchises lately, which means if they stay status quo as bottom feeders, we probably keep our pick because they all end up worse than us. Not sure that leads to it likely being a late 1st.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just to reiterate the point, the Suns didn't really trade 2 valuable 1st round picks for Williams last year. They dealt the 29th pick from last year and an already leveraged 1st in 2029 for Williams. It is technically 2 1sts but given the fact that one of them has conveyed and what Williams provided was greater than that pick would have provided, it's a wash. I'm fairly sure the pick would have been the worst between us, Brooklyn. Washington. and Utah. I've seen 3 teams with swap rights continually which basically makes the pick a late 1st.

First round picks are still first round picks and better than second round picks.

The Suns drafted Fleming with the first pick in the second round so they have value.

 

[SirStefan32]

Didn't the current CBA pretty much destroy restricted free agency? Maybe I just haven't been following things closely enough, but for the life of me, I can't remember any RFA offer sheets in the past two or three years. Last one I remember was Ayton. I can't imagine a huge RFA offer sheet waiting for Williams. I am guessing he either plays on the qualifying offer, or he signs a very reasonable contract that can be flipped at some point. I suppose sign and trade is a possibility as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

Didn't the current CBA pretty much destroy restricted free agency? Maybe I just haven't been following things closely enough, but for the life of me, I can't remember any RFA offer sheets in the past two or three years. Last one I remember was Ayton. I can't imagine a huge RFA offer sheet waiting for Williams. I am guessing he either plays on the qualifying offer, or he signs a very reasonable contract that can be flipped at some point. I suppose sign and trade is a possibility as well.

Yes, most NBA teams are cashed strapped less a select few. This makes sign and trades an attractive option.

 

[Hoop Head]

If those are the teams that our pick bounces between, you’re talking about three historically awful franchises lately, which means if they stay status quo as bottom feeders, we probably keep our pick because they all end up worse than us. Not sure that leads to it likely being a late 1st.

I did some more digging to verify where they went and was only right about Utah's involvement. The other 2 teams are Minnesota and Cleveland, which definitely don't help us.

Suns trade for Hornets center Mark Williams

Phoenix makes a priority of bulking up on the interior with a trade for Hornets center Mark Williams.

www.nba.com

 

[Hoop Head]

First round picks are still first round picks and better than second round picks.

The Suns drafted Fleming with the first pick in the second round so they have value.

With how cash strapped we are, second round picks could be more valuable given there isn't a set amount we have to pay guys. It's not a lot of savings but a few hundred thousand makes a difference. We're at the point where we are counting everything as we hover around the tax line, apron, and also contend with all sorts of buyout deals on our books.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I did some more digging to verify where they went and was only right about Utah's involvement. The other 2 teams are Minnesota and Cleveland, which definitely don't help us.

Suns trade for Hornets center Mark Williams

Phoenix makes a priority of bulking up on the interior with a trade for Hornets center Mark Williams.

www.nba.com

gotcha - that doesn't help nearly as much. Cleveland might be shambles by then, but Minnesota is still likely a top 4 or 5 team in the West unless something terrible happens to Ant.

it's crazy how leveraged all those picks are moving forward.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The “good” news is everyone else knows the mark Williams story as well. Who is going to throw big money and multiple years at him? I’d be surprised if anyone would. We spent two firsts, but one was late and one is subject to a lot of swaps and was four years into the future while he was still on an inexpensive rookie contract. There may not be a bidding war and all things equal mark might to stay with a club who was trying to help out his limitations.

 

[GatorAZ]

One year deal then Maluach takes over in 27-28’.