Suns Off Season Changes for 2025-26

[Mainstreet]

I think everyone is going to realize real quick Bradley Beal was not the problem.

Can't win if you don't play. Beal only played 53 games each, the past two seasons.

Also, his salary and NTC made him part of the problem, not the answer.

However, the Suns FO made the decision to trade for him so it could be argued they made the mistake.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What does doubling down look like to you? At this point, in your opinion, what would you consider a good move vs a bad move? Keeping in mind the current situation with Book ain’t going to change…

To me it's any move that's intended to make an immediate impact at the cost of future assets. Until our books are clear.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You edited your post, so makes sense. Gotcha.

How so? Confused. I never supported stretching Beal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What does doubling down look like to you? At this point, in your opinion, what would you consider a good move vs a bad move?

Doubling down looks like using MLE/trade exceptions to add more salary to a sunken ship.

Pouring more money with an MLE player to try and make a 25 win Booker team (which is what I think we’re looking at) into a 30 win Booker team. That’s an exercise in futility for at least a couple years until either some rookies really explode or we have enough cap room to sign multi-star level players.

If the team is really trying to ReBook, they should be biting the bullet for a couple years and clearing cap space for when they could hopefully make a big FA splashes. Spending money now on MLE guys while already having Beal’s 20 on the books for five years hampers us from doing so.

Keeping in mind the current situation with Book ain’t going to change…

And neither will criticism of the plan if that’s the direction they go in and pile more money and spend more assets to do so.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

4 years from now we could be decent and one $19 million per year player away from meaningful

 

[Raindog]

4 years from now we could be decent and one $19 million per year player away from meaningful

But four years is a hella long time in fan years. Especially in "Suns Never Won a Championship Ever" fan years.

 

[Hoop Head]

But four years is a hella long time in fan years. Especially in "Suns Never Won a Championship Ever" fan years.

Good thing we don't control our picks for 7 more years, right?

Oh, to be a Suns fan.

 

[clyde2tw]

I guess the most important issue is to get under the luxury tax first, which supposedly unlocks many options to use the cap.
Then the current FA market has nobody left worth our MLE, so we only need to add 1-2 min salary players and see how Green and Book mesh. Ben Simons as the point forward suits the team on paper. Okogie is the great hussle guy that fits the supposed new culture of defense first. If LBJ wants to leave LAL via buyouts, he'd be perfect too.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Best of luck to beal in clipper land he was iffyyyy here thats for sure

420 bubbler space gileto kush to beal replacment showin more attitude talent

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Only 2 million less. That really doesn't mean much.

But if they trade oneal or Allen they can’t they back a player of equal value plus.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think everyone is going to realize real quick Bradley Beal was not the problem.

He was not the anything but an untradable contract. I mean he almost played 2/3rds of the games over two season. Almost.

 

[Proximo]

But four years is a hella long time in fan years. Especially in "Suns Never Won a Championship Ever" fan years.

Reality is reality. It takes time to rebuild, especially when you have no picks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

4 years from now we could be decent and one $19 million per year player away from meaningful

Four years from now a $19m player could be a Grayson Allen at the rate contracts are growing. Is that a needle mover?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Four years from now a $19m player could be a Grayson Allen at the rate contracts are growing. Is that a needle mover?

nah - everyone not named oso can bang the 3

 

[Proximo]

He was not the anything but an untradable contract. I mean he almost played 2/3rds of the games over two season. Almost.

Even if he is untradable, stretching is stupid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even if he is untradable, stretching is stupid.

I’d like to hear their reasoning.

 

[Mainstreet]

Even if he is untradable, stretching is stupid.

Saving $200 million, the flexibility to aggregate trades and use the exceptions, is reason enough.

 

[SirStefan32]

I understand the reasoning, I understand that the annual amount is not going to look as bad in a couple of years, but I really don't like the stretching aspect of this. There has to have been a way to get out of the second apron without turning a two-year problem into a five-year problem.

 

[Hoop Head]

I understand the reasoning, I understand that the annual amount is not going to look as bad in a couple of years, but I really don't like the stretching aspect of this. There has to have been a way to get out of the second apron without turning a two-year problem into a five-year problem.

If this was September, I'd get it. I think they jumped the gun and should have exhausted all avenues elsewhere. Waiting until training camp is a week or two and guys are getting those offers would have been preferred.

Of course that may have caused Beal to play hardball also. Less teams would have significant money to offer so he may have wanted more.

 

[outcent13]

I understand the reasoning, I understand that the annual amount is not going to look as bad in a couple of years, but I really don't like the stretching aspect of this. There has to have been a way to get out of the second apron without turning a two-year problem into a five-year problem.

Pretty sure they can eat it over the next two years still and the amount Beal forfeited would bring them below the second apron. Just how I understand it. They could probably still unload a couple salaries beyond Beal as well since they would be under the second apron.

Who knows though, their CBA is written in Wookie as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Pretty sure they can eat it over the next two years still and the amount Beal forfeited would bring them below the second apron. Just how I understand it. They could probably still unload a couple salaries beyond Beal as well since they would be under the second apron.

Who knows though, their CBA is written in Wookie as far as I’m concerned.

Yes the new CBA did the Suns in more then any players. It's done and time to move on. Wish Beal and Durant good luck.

 

[Mainstreet]

Pretty sure they can eat it over the next two years still and the amount Beal forfeited would bring them below the second apron. Just how I understand it. They could probably still unload a couple salaries beyond Beal as well since they would be under the second apron.

Who knows though, their CBA is written in Wookie as far as I’m concerned.

Yes, it's hard to understand why the players approved this Collective Bargaining Agreement, unless it simply contained more good than bad.

The more I listen to it explained, the more complicated it becomes.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this tweet by Keith Smith deserves a re-post.

It gives fans an idea where the Suns are in relation to the luxury tax and both aprons, providing they waive and stretch Bradley Beal.

They have until August 31st to do so.

He was bought out today.

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[Phrazbit]

Sigh… another MSU hire to the coaching staff, who also just happens to have some prior alleged sexual assault activity on his ledger to boot!

Michigan State legend Mateen Cleaves joins Phoenix Suns coaching staff

The 2000 NCAA champion joins the Suns as a player development coach, reuniting with former teammate and current Suns owner Matt Ishbia.

www.mlive.com

And yea… I know he was acquitted… by a jury in Michigan, where he’s an all-time hero for a state he won a national title for, despite there being video evidence of him dragging and carrying a half naked women who was running away from him, back to his hotel room.

I missed this story…

When we hired Ott I know several of us joked that it must’ve been only because Cleves wasn’t available.

 

[Phrazbit]

We needed to get under the apron, I would’ve preferred to get there by trading away either Allen or O’Neile, but it seems our scheme to deliberately overpay them both in order to somehow make them more of an asset worked about as well in in practice, as most of our other schemes has.