10 years is another era in professional football. Here is what I know.
The Vikings have underachieved in relation to their roster over the past 5 years. A big part of this is injuries/turnover at the QB position and OC turnover.
Baltimore Ravens have not been relevant in 5 years. This is mainly due to their offense not being very good. Multiple OC turnover.
I’m sorry Chopper, but I don’t think I really understand your post?
It’s obviously fair not to go back ten years, but why five? Why not three, or seven or one? I mean, if you just go back three years, your points about the Vikings and the Ravens don’t really apply. Well, I guess it is subjective what we think it will say to be underachieving or irrelevant, so maybe it does apply anyway.
New York Giants are in a tailspin. They are no longer an organization that you model yourself after.
Steelers had Haley for 6 years, and he was an OC who had been fired as a HC.
Falcons had a great year with Kyle Shanahan and have not been a rollercoaster since he left. He may be the example of my you just hire the offensive mind as your HC.
Broncos are not very good. I don't see how they factor in especially when they underachieved until they paired Gary Kubiak with Peyton Manning. Under Fox a defensive mind, they couldn't get over the hump.
Panthers have been a roller coaster on offense and most would same Cam has been very average outside of one season.
I don’t think it’s right to simply dismiss the Giants because of what they have done derails a hiring strategy. You can’t simply base a strategy on successful examples and dismiss the times it has gone wrong, and neither do I think your strategy included a completely subjective analysis on what an organization is or isn’t. What about Adam Gase with the Dolphins? He was considered an up-and-coming hotshot offensive coordinator with the Broncos before. What about Hue Jackson who did well as an offensive coordinator with the Bengals? Eight years ago, the Cowboys did almost everything they could to do exactly what you are suggesting when they gave the young and perceived offensive mastermind Jason Garrett a huge extension to keep him from being a head coach elsewhere, and later they made him head coach of the Cowboys. It probably hasn’t been a fiasco, but I wouldn’t call two playoff berths in his time as a head coach a success either.
Neither do I understand why Todd Haley (or Ken Whisenhunt or Dirk Koetter or Mike McCoy or others) shouldn’t be taken into account just because they have been head coaches before they were successful coordinators. Either you are a coordinator, or you are not.
Kyle Shanahan is a combined 8-19 with the Niners. If he is the prime example of a successful hiring strategy, then I would think more than twice about following that strategy (sure you can point to an injury to a quarterback, but it’s not like it’s impossible or against the rules to still field a strong team. Also, who knows how Garoppolo would have played when opponents had more film on him and an entire offseason to prepare for him?) Don't get me wrong. I would like to have Shanahan as a head coach. I just don't see him as an example on why you should hire an offensive coordinator as your head coach.
Concerning Cam Newton, I don’t know who most are, but I am not one of them. You are obviously entitled to an opinion, but like I said above, too much subjectivism tends to lead to a misleading strategy. I’m sorry for sounding condescending, but as they said, “check your ego at the door”. They need to make the decision they feel is best for the team.
I have never stated that I think every OC is going to be a good HC, but if you think a guy will, you better lock him up as your HC and not play around with him as your OC. See the Redskins and Sean McVay. The area where Kingsbury has a bog advantage is that he has been a HC at some level. He has an understanding of how to build practice schedules and have a hand in multiple areas of an organization.
This I can understand, but I wouldn't think any team does not believe their newly hired head coach as well as his choice of offensive coordinator would be successful. Otherwise some personnel people have to take a very hard look in the mirror. It’s actually not that I disagree with your premise that you should try to keep your good offensive minds, but I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t go with your preferred choice as head coach no matter who the other candidates are? The Redskins have obviously been happy with Jay Gruden, so why replace him with Sean McVay just because you have the option? I assume the Saints are happy with offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael, but why would they fire Sean Payton just to make Carmichael head coach if they are happy with Payton? I am sure the Patriots have been satisfied with Josh McDaniels, but they are probably happy with Belichick as well, so why promote McDaniels right now? Again, I’m not against the strategy. I just don’t understand why it would make more sense to make your offensive coordinator the head coach right away, if you (partly because of recent history) think another way is better.
