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After viewing this, I'm thinking that Cumberbatch's role may actually be Garth of Izar.
Star Trek Into Darkness (aka Star Trek XII)
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After viewing this, I'm thinking that Cumberbatch's role may actually be Garth of Izar.
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Don't look below in the spoilers if you don't want to know who the villain is.
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John Harrison=Khan. Confirmed from sources at the Australian Premier
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WOW! Just a great movie! Great villian! Great action! Same perfectly nailed characters! A real joy to watch! Bravo JJ!
I thought Iron man 3 was a real pleasure and I enjoyed this a whole lot more!
I thought Iron man 3 was a real pleasure and I enjoyed this a whole lot more!
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I thought it was good but not great.
It was non-stop action from the opening scene (a scene that reminded me of the opening scene from "Raiders of the Lost Ark"). So I must say I was entertained throughout the entire movie and I would label it as a great Popcorn Flick. However it wasn't without its flaws. I felt the ending was very predictable and several scenes in the last part of the movie were way over the top. Yet it was the character development/interaction that again saved the movie.
Personally I liked the previous movie better but this definitely was a fun ride and just as enjoyable.
It was non-stop action from the opening scene (a scene that reminded me of the opening scene from "Raiders of the Lost Ark"). So I must say I was entertained throughout the entire movie and I would label it as a great Popcorn Flick. However it wasn't without its flaws. I felt the ending was very predictable and several scenes in the last part of the movie were way over the top. Yet it was the character development/interaction that again saved the movie.
Personally I liked the previous movie better but this definitely was a fun ride and just as enjoyable.
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This is exactly how I felt about it.
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Calling this a popcorn flick is just plain snobbish and wrong. This movie was absolutely incredible. Yes, they made one decision I didn't agree with, which keeps it to an A- instead of an A+, but damn...well friggin' done!
The deus ex machina with Spock and Spock was a cop out.
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First of all I totally agree with your spoiler:
There was no need to have Spock call old Spock. Shameless attempt at a camio IMO. If they wanted a Camio from the old crew they would have been better off with George Takei leading some sort of futuristic Gay Pride parade that is ruined by Khan or something like that. Up until this point I felt the movie was amazing and then it started unraveling some.
Second calling it a popcorn flick may have been a little harse:
There was so much action and special effects in this movie that I felt at times were way over the top. Especially during the last 30 - 45 minutes of the movie. So in that way if felt like a popcorn flick to me. For example the last fight scene between Spock and Khan was outrageously over the top and for me soured me on the movie some. Especially since it was the last major scene of the movie.
However I agree that this movie had more than just action and special effects. As I said before the strength of this movie is the relationships that develop between the different characters. So in that way I guess you can say it elevated itself above a popcorn flick.
However I agree that this movie had more than just action and special effects. As I said before the strength of this movie is the relationships that develop between the different characters. So in that way I guess you can say it elevated itself above a popcorn flick.
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I'll never understand why "popcorn flick" is seen as some as a slam. A great popcorn flick is near impossible to pull off. To produce something that's just flat out pure entertainment and crowd pleasing for four quadrants is
Freaking tough!
Freaking tough!
Agree. Especially with how overly cerebral Star Trek stuff can be, if that makes sense.
Cannot wait to see.
Awesome movie! The ripped off lines from ST II: WoK were very emotional for me.
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Great fun! This is Skyfall to Star Trek 1's Casino Royale. A lot of great homages to the original show.
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Pretty entertaining flick, but like most of JJ's stuff it was VERY derivative of what's come before it. And really wasn't a fan of the cameo/get out if jail free card played again in this one. Fun movie, but ultimately disposable IMO.
Stout
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I can't disagree strongly enough--except with the cameo part. It wasn't at all derivative. It took what's come before it and flipped it around and stood it on its head. Fun movie and very well done. Methinks this is the film critic/must denounce good sci-fi peeking out of you a bit.
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sorry man, but taking an existing LEGENDARY scene and simply flipping it on it's head is completely derivative, IMO. And what makes it more is that the original scene carried SO MUCH weight because back then, if someone died in a movie, you had no CLUE they were going to come back...and then they didn't by the end of the movie. Here, there was no drama to that moment because you KNEW that wasn't the end of the character.
it was fun, but like one of my friends so eloquently put it yesterday, JJ Abrams is the Cheesecake Factory of directors. You're going to get a good meal, and you can pretty much ALWAYS depend on it being good, but it's rarely going to surprise you.
lol...what? I LOVE sci-fi and this was decent and fun, but just thought it was incredibly derivative. you could see where the Khan of it all was going from a mile away. I like my Sci-Fi to surprise me, not repurpose already existing material, pretty much down to the exact beats/dialogue at times.
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I think maybe now that might be the case, but I was a bit surprised by Super 8. Of course that could be more indicative of how good a marketing campaign it had. But I was quite pleased with how "Spielberg-ian" the film was--didn't quite expect that, even with JJ's track record.
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I guess therein lies my issue with JJ. I find his stuff to more often then not "feel" like someone else's work, a carbon copy of other great director, as opposed to just watching one of his movies and feeling it has it's own strong voice.
The true popcorn GREATS...the Spielbergs, Nolans...hell...even M. Night's first couple of movies...they all had VERY distinct voices IMO. Their films all had a certain feel that was unlike any other, whereas with JJ, it just feels like been there, done that. Now, it's usually done VERY WELL and is pretty darn entertaining, but it just never feels fresh for my tastes if that makes sense.
I also think he's got a little Steven King-disease. The guy sets up GREAT premises, but his endings seem to fall a little flat for me more often then not.
what he does VERY well though and I'll give credit where credit's due is create very good characters. I was never a huge fan of Trek, but I do really enjoy the characters he recreated in the Trek reboot and they carried this film. He also does a very good job of creating bad guys. Philip Seymour Hoffman was a great bad-guy in MI3 and John Harrison was pretty kick-ass as well.
Like I said, I'm pretty stoked he's doing Star Wars because I know at the very least they'll be entertaining which will be saying a hell of a lot more then ANY of the prequels, but I'm a little fearful I'm going to know every beat at the end of the Episode 7...Luke dying ala Obi-Wan, someone unexpected gets their arm cut-off, etc... There's a fine line between homage and straight plagiarism "with a twist." dude's talented enough that he shouldn't have to fall back on old tropes.
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Bravo...well said.
I refuse to spoiler tag my comments on this film, since I believe Abrams' idea of the mystery box when it comes to marketing his films jumped the shark with "Cloverfield", so read on at your own risk.
As a Trekkie, this film was abhorrent. It fails on the same level as "Superman Returns" in that it crossed the line of influence/homage, and became a rip-off of the original. To draw comparisons to Star Trek II is a losing battle for this iteration; there's no way it can be held to that standard.
But one thing I've come to grips with is that rigid fans of the original series need not apply here. In terms of being something separate from Roddenberry's creation, this was a pretty good summer action flick.
The opening sequence (why were they so worried about violating The Prime Directive when they should have never meddled with that civilization to begin with?) coupled with zero concern for the simplest rules of physics had me wondering if I had just flushed $7 down the toilet. And while the sequence involving the father of the dying girl being coerced into destroying the e-library by Khan was effective in setting up the story, it felt like something out of "Days of Our Lives".
However...Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg, and Karl Urban made this movie for me. And character arc of the maturation of Pine's Kirk has me wanting to see where they take it in the film, if they have a next film. The death of Kirk carried no weight with me, I knew that there was zero chance of Kirk's death lasting long. When McCoy was experimenting on a dead tribble with Khan's blood I felt like standing up, and shouting "FORESHADOWING!"...but Quinto's and Pine's performances in that scene sucked me right in...yeah, I thought they did that good.
Overall, it was worth the price of admission. It wasn't as good as the first, even though Cumberpatch's Khan is 1000x the villain Nero was.
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Absolutely loved it. Yeah, there were some rip-offs off the previous material but I enjoyed them with a chuckle and I felt thats how they were meant to come off. And to be fair the word "destiny" has been thrown around a lot in these 2 movies and is mentioned frequently in the originals. The idea that some of these paths are meant to be recrossed but with alteration is something the entire reboot was based upon!
Anyway, purely as an action-adventure sci-fi movie this was about as good as they come. Fantastic. The chemistry of the cast is really carrying this franchise (Simon Pegg especially steals scenes all over the place) and I hope they keep the group together for a few more films.
Anyway, purely as an action-adventure sci-fi movie this was about as good as they come. Fantastic. The chemistry of the cast is really carrying this franchise (Simon Pegg especially steals scenes all over the place) and I hope they keep the group together for a few more films.
As for the final fight being over the top... this is Star Trek for Christ's sake! Spock and Khan using their "patented moves" towards a stand still was a delight
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Nice touch at the end showing Kahn and all his men being locked inside a large metal crate. Seems like another "Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn" is still possible down the line.
I have no problem with how Spock fought Khan. My problem was the whole fight on the top of flying machines and jumping from one aircraft to the next. To me that was over the top and cheapened what could have been a great fight scene.
Perfectly stated!
Karl Urban is really good in just about everything he does. He doesn't get nearly the recognition he deserves. ( loved him in "Red").
