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Shams: Suns trade for Miles Bridges
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What Bridges did was despicable, and really unforgivable. However, I am a basketball fan and there are alot of bad people in the NBA.
I won't stop rooting for the suns just because they are giving a bad dude a second chance. I do not worry about a person's past record unless it directly impacts me. I won't stop using a repair shop, contractor, convenience store etc. just because a person with a criminal record works there.
I once had a highly respected, live long law enforcement officer tell me that if I knew the past records of everyone I met, I'd be afraid to go outside. There is something like 25,000-30,000 DV arrests just in AZ every year. NBA players are unique in that we all get to hear about their mistakes.
1tinsoldier
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yes. and that's the point. When we hear about it, damage is done. The NBA is in the public pleasing business. Their product is giving the community players to root for. If you damage the reputation of a team and the league you are damaging the product you're being payed a king's ransom to maintain.
if you can't sustain a public persona, get another job and rehabilitate there. If you prove yourself, you might be given a second chance. I have no sympathy for those who can't. And throwing billiard balls at a car with your girlfriend and children in it months after confessing to beating the crap out of her, should have disqualified him from representing Charlotte or Phoenix, especially if an owner pitches "team culture" to the community.
personally, i don't think Booker earned his current salary on the court. But off the court, he has certainly met his obligations and fulfilled expectations.
you don't have to "be a role model" as Barkley used to say. But all jobs have minimum expectations.
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Yeah. Run for congress or something.
Note: This is a joke (based upon reality). It is not a partisan statement or intended to target any individual. I have no intention of going any further with it, and I have no intention of discussing it on the religion and politics board. I live in that world every day. I don't want to revisit it here.
I agree it should have disqualified him, but it didn't. The NBA, and two teams are ok with it.
I'd also be willing to bet the victims; mother and kids do not want him kicked out of the NBA so they can also benefit from the Kings ransom.
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Probably many more than two. Also, you are right with your second point. However, it really still makes it hard to root for him in any way.
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You don’t root for him, you root for the Suns and if he helps make them better it is what it is. We’ve been the good guy organization for too long and where has that gotten the franchise…zero titles! A lot of times talented people aren’t the best people or role models necessarily. Famous people just get their private lives shared to the world unfortunately. You honestly wouldn’t want to know everyone’s private lives or you wouldn’t want to talk to or be friends with a ton of people. People can change and grow and who’s to say this experience didn’t change his life and him dramatically? If they are gonna extend him I would imagine someone is smart enough to put a behavioral clause in there if he were to get into any legal trouble the Suns could get out of said contract easily?
This is not so much about being rude, obnoxious, or a general prick, but violently beating a woman half your size. It is a different category.
The legal system is supposed to determine guilt and punish him. Hiring/signing a convicted wife beater is legal I guess, but Ish can take the high character talk and wipe his behind with it. I lost what faith I had in his talk. Actions speak louder.
The legal system is supposed to determine guilt and punish him. Hiring/signing a convicted wife beater is legal I guess, but Ish can take the high character talk and wipe his behind with it. I lost what faith I had in his talk. Actions speak louder.
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I suppose you don't believe in second chances? Is there no world where he could ever develop into having good character in your eyes?
They lived (and died) by their three-point shooting last season. Their pantry is overflowing with bombers if their roster stays the way it is now. I'd say it's like the Suns coming into last season. We shouldn't expect much, but they just might surprise people if they get their mojo going.
I guess he and other previous violent criminals can change. Sure.
I think many men has this issue with masculinity and upbringing where violence is a part of life or how to handle situations. Just saying there could be reasons why he beat that woman but it is still a an ugly offense and a crime.
I think many men has this issue with masculinity and upbringing where violence is a part of life or how to handle situations. Just saying there could be reasons why he beat that woman but it is still a an ugly offense and a crime.
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He will be forgotten in a year hopefully and this will be a speed bump. We got rid of the Allen/Royce contracts, Bridges expires and we can extend Brooks on a short term deal without going over the apron.
About the DV thing, I'm of two minds about this:
A) I have always had anger issues. I remember doing absolutely idiotic crap like jumping out of my car at an intersection to try and stomp out someone's exhaust tip because road rage. I guess I was lucky that I must've looked scary/angry enough that the dude chose to run a red light instead of confronting me. I genuinely don't know how I made it past my 20's alive, much less with a clean record.
B) In all that rage, it was NEVER even a remote thought ever to lift a hand against any woman, especially my wife. I have smacked my children's hands and even smacked their forehead in their teens (not violently, just sort of a wakeup call), but my anger issues never got past my instinct to not hurt people who I feel can't defend themselves. The same goes when I became a corrections officer. I never used my position to inflict pain unless there was a genuine emergency or ongoing conflict.
My point is that I grew up and out of my violent and angry tendencies over time. But then again, I will NEVER understand beating on any woman, much less the one that bore your children, and even less, doing it in front of said children. So I understand and don't understand at the same time.
A) I have always had anger issues. I remember doing absolutely idiotic crap like jumping out of my car at an intersection to try and stomp out someone's exhaust tip because road rage. I guess I was lucky that I must've looked scary/angry enough that the dude chose to run a red light instead of confronting me. I genuinely don't know how I made it past my 20's alive, much less with a clean record.
B) In all that rage, it was NEVER even a remote thought ever to lift a hand against any woman, especially my wife. I have smacked my children's hands and even smacked their forehead in their teens (not violently, just sort of a wakeup call), but my anger issues never got past my instinct to not hurt people who I feel can't defend themselves. The same goes when I became a corrections officer. I never used my position to inflict pain unless there was a genuine emergency or ongoing conflict.
My point is that I grew up and out of my violent and angry tendencies over time. But then again, I will NEVER understand beating on any woman, much less the one that bore your children, and even less, doing it in front of said children. So I understand and don't understand at the same time.
1tinsoldier
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except we all know that's precisely NOT how it works around here. Too many have been rooting for one player for 11 years, including the local broadcasters, despite the results and stats that have indicated that repeatedly building around him and paying him one of the highest salaries in sports history has, and will NOT be good for the TEAM.
the double irony regarding Bridges, is that most, like myself, do not believe trading Grayson, Allen, and a first round pick for his limited skill set is good for the team, from a basketball perspective.
has anyone even considered how this impacts team chemistry if some of Bridges' teammates are offended by his crimes on a personal level?
remember the good will the other Bridges contributed to team chemistry -- that helped propel us to the finals?
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Please indulge my sense of humor, but these conversations brought this to mind.
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The Suns have already said the plan is to extend him.
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Maybe, maybe not. He’s a bad person and not a good enough player to warrant apron purgatory. I like him as a stopgap and way to duck the tax.
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There is ALWAYS an "if"
If he stays out of trouble.
If his play is worthy of an extension.
One bad choice never merits a second one. If he doesn't pan out, they will get ripped for trading away the pick for him, but dumping him is still better than doubling down with a bad contract.
If. Its always still if.
Character/Moral clause.
There is a high possibility that a change of scenery, and a team that believes in him could help turn his life around on and off the court.
My guess/hope is that someone in the organization has close enough ties to Bridges so that the gamble isn't a total roll of the dice.
Of course, we could all wake up to his mugshot on AZcentral, and have a complete disaster.
The bet is made; I guess all we can do is hope for the best.
My guess/hope is that someone in the organization has close enough ties to Bridges so that the gamble isn't a total roll of the dice.
Of course, we could all wake up to his mugshot on AZcentral, and have a complete disaster.
The bet is made; I guess all we can do is hope for the best.
1tinsoldier
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high probability?
Barkley was a hot head. Allen and Brooks were too. Those were reasonable bets. But there's a big difference in their off-court behavior. What Bridges did, twice, cannot be compared to, for example, Jason Kidd french-frying his wife.
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There's a lot of truth to that joke though.
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He's proven to be a terrible human being - I'll never root for him. I'm disgusted my team acquired him- he doesn't move the needle much, and we gave up a great asset for him.
This reeks of Ishbia sticking his nose in personnel moves.
This reeks of Ishbia sticking his nose in personnel moves.
He will move the needle more then that one way or the other
