OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[krazy2k]

This year you'll see my boy has heart

Wash, rinse, repeat - until KM actually performs to his "potential." Hasn't happened yet. Won't happen this year either. We are closing in on 200 pages for this thread though...take the small wins.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Wash, rinse, repeat - until KM actually performs to his "potential." Hasn't happened yet. Won't happen this year either. We are closing in on 200 pages for this thread though...take the small wins.

The talent around him matters though, and our WR room has been **** the past three seasons.

What is Murray's pure QB rating when he's throwing to McBride? About a gazillion. What is when he's throwing to Michael Wilson? Less than zero.

Do you understand what those data points mean?

Last year our YAC leader was a guy smaller than most HS players. Just think about how sad that is.

And if Marvelous doesn't step up in a fairly big way this year, our WR will be ****** once again.

 

[Stout]

The talent around him matters though, and our WR room has been **** the past three seasons.

What is Murray's pure QB rating when he's throwing to McBride? About a gazillion. What is when he's throwing to Michael Wilson? Less than zero.

Do you understand what those data points mean?

Last year our YAC leader was a guy smaller than most HS players. Just think about how sad that is.

And if Marvelous doesn't step up in a fairly big way this year, our WR will be ****** once again.

You know what it tells me? He's become really good at becoming a Checkdown Charlie.

 

[kerouac9]

You know what it tells me? He's become really good at becoming a Checkdown Charlie.

Correct. McBride’s ADoT is 6.1. George Kittle’s is 7.5; Travis Kelce’s is 7.8.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You know what it tells me? He's become really good at becoming a Checkdown Charlie.

That's exactly my thoughts as well. Pretty easy to have a high QBR when the ball travels 3 to 5 yards past the LOS. Poor attempt to prove K1 is anything but what he is.

IMO what he is is a scared QB who panics at any sigh of distress. As I have stated many time, I believe that after he collects his 1/4 of a billion, he'll retire and go grow mushrooms with Jake the snake.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

You know what it tells me? He's become really good at becoming a Checkdown Charlie.

Wrong again my friend!

Murray's 2024 7.1 YPC puts him in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs in terms of pushing the ball downfield.

Furthermore, if McBride, on a shorter route, is the only receiver open, then who is he supposed to throw it to?

Because Michael Wilson, our "high powered NFL WR2", is damn sure not open.

 

[Shane]

Furthermore, if McBride, on a shorter route, is the only receiver open, then who is he supposed to throw it to?

Plenty plenty plenty of tape showing other receivers wide open when he’s taking the check down. This doesn’t jive.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

IMO what he is is a scared QB who panics at any sigh of distress.

This, from the weighty depths of zero days, zero months and zero years as a professional NFL player personnel evaluator.

But thanks for sharing WC! Hope your summer is going awesome!

 

[kerouac9]

Because Michael Wilson, our "high powered NFL WR2", is damn sure not open.

No one thinks this bro. Do better.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

No one thinks this bro. Do better.

you do you king.

 

[krazy2k]

The talent around him matters though, and our WR room has been **** the past three seasons.

What is Murray's pure QB rating when he's throwing to McBride? About a gazillion. What is when he's throwing to Michael Wilson? Less than zero.

Do you understand what those data points mean?

Last year our YAC leader was a guy smaller than most HS players. Just think about how sad that is.

And if Marvelous doesn't step up in a fairly big way this year, our WR will be ****** once again.

You identify as a Kyler Murray Zealot. You are certainly entitled to do that. I identify as a pragmatic realist. How many more seasons do Cardinals' fans need to endure of the "fast start, then panic sets in, queue the 2nd half meltdown" we see every year with KM. Until he is traded or retired, I would certainly like that pattern to break - but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

You identify as a Kyler Murray Zealot. You are certainly entitled to do that. I identify as a pragmatic realist. How many more seasons do Cardinals' fans need to endure of the "fast start, then panic sets in, queue the 2nd half meltdown" we see every year with KM. Until he is traded or retired, I would certainly like that pattern to break - but I'm not holding my breath.

saying he sucks in the clutch is different than saying he's not realizing his potential (like you said in your earlier post).

Those are two different assertions.

Also, just for the record

Kyler Murray has 11 career fourth-quarter comebacks and 13 game-winning drives, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com. These stats reflect his ability to lead the team in crucial moments during games.

So it's not like he's not capable of being good in the clutch.

Just something about important games seems to affect him negatively.

 

[DVontel]

Honestly, this thread title should change to “DaHilg vs Everybody one week, Crimson Warrior vs Everybody the next week”.

 

[Shane]

Honestly, this thread title should change to “DaHilg vs Everybody one week, Crimson Warrior vs Everybody the next week”.

Hmmmm

 

[kerouac9]

saying he sucks in the clutch is different than saying he's not realizing his potential (like you said in your earlier post).

Those are two different assertions.

Also, just for the record

Kyler Murray has 11 career fourth-quarter comebacks and 13 game-winning drives, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com. These stats reflect his ability to lead the team in crucial moments during games.

So it's not like he's not capable of being good in the clutch.

Just something about important games seems to affect him negatively.

AI slop. Two game winning drives per season don’t mean much when they come against mid to bad teams.

Geno Smith has 12 game-winning drives in the past 3 seasons.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Honestly, this thread title should change to “DaHilg vs Everybody one week, Crimson Warrior vs Everybody the next week”.

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come on with it then king

 

[WisconsinCard]

This, from the weighty depths of zero days, zero months and zero years as a professional NFL player personnel evaluator.

But thanks for sharing WC! Hope your summer is going awesome!

Oh sorry, what team do you scout or evaluate talent for? You are correct, but I am professional judge of pro sports. So that's probably more than you do. But thanks for sharing. And my summer has been awesome.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

3 pIcks thru the first 10 games

then threw 8 picks thru our last 7 games resulting in 5 losses - the 2 games we did win... no interceptions

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[Crimson Warrior]

Oh sorry, what team do you scout or evaluate talent for? You are correct, but I am professional judge of pro sports. So that's probably more than you do. But thanks for sharing. And my summer has been awesome.

Ha! Just joking with you a little WC!

And that you get paid to do what most of us would do for free I think is cool as hell! You must be super smart or something!

Glad that your summer is going great!

 

[Shane]

Ok y’all who did this?

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[krazy2k]

Ok y’all who did this?

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The police officer is really shortening his steps to keep from dragging KM along. LOL.

 

[slanidrac16]

How about this.
Kyler 21tds- 11 picks - 3851 yds -sacks 30 rating 93.5
Mystery qb 20 tds 6 picks- 3541 yds- sacks 68- rating 87.8

The mystery qb was a rookie. Many says this rookie has to play much better this year.
Point being a rookie being sacked 68 times put up pretty similar numbers.

Kyler’s needs to get WAY better.

Mystery Qb? Caleb Williams

 

[WisconsinCard]

Ha! Just joking with you a little WC!

And that you get paid to do what most of us would do for free I think is cool as hell! You must be super smart or something!

Glad that your summer is going great!

Funny you say that, as always say "don't tell the promoters, but I'd do it for free ". Especially the boxing. I have worked with some of the biggest refs and judges in the business, and I watch every boxing event i can. The MMA I have done several televised events, and I love it being cage side. But I rarely watch it on TV .

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Ok y’all who did this?

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haha. That's about as funny as a rubber crutch.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thats cute you come to his aid.

Again Bo Nix has a great super bowl winning offensive coach.

K1 has Petzing designing the next wing T.

And for years kyler had a coach that in a single season took a rookie and made him a legit mvp candidate who won playoff games.