OT: Astros going to new lengths

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    meh
     
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    This is as bad as steroids in my opinion and should be treated as such.
     
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    In my opinion it’s not even close either. If a guy wants to put unhealthy amounts of chemicals in his body that may or may not help his performance is one thing but dozens of people working together to cheat the opposing team is another. The Yankees also said they were whistling from their dugouts seconds before pitches in the ALCS and Houston laughed it off. That was before Fiers dimmed out his own team. MLB has some pressure on them for this one.
     
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    Yeah you are right. Someone found a HR in the playoffs where the banging occurred right before the off speed was hit out of the park. This is going to be a rabbit hole of conspiracy where games were proven to be impacted.
     
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    Either way, it replaces skill with cheating.

    It is a microcosm of our society. Runaway irresponsibility.
     
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    We’ve gone over this before and I’ve posted sources of players using PED’s from back in the 60’s/70’s. Pharmaceutical grade stimulants were in the coffee pots to use freely.

    This one seems like only are pitchers subject to disadvantages. Not only with the juiced ball but teams knowing your pitches. Changing signs to avoid the guy on 2nd base is something you can deal with. High def hidden camera relaying the signs to the dugout within a split second is another level. The Red Sox got fined for the Apple Watch thing so this was clearly outlawed.
     
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    It doesn't replace the skill. A player can know exactly what pitch is coming and still fail. Stealing signs has been going on since the game began and now we are in the technology age.

    I don't like it but there are algorithm programs that can probably tell you what pitch is coming that can be used as well.

    Let's not act like the Dbacks aren't trying to steal signs to get an edge.
     
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    Except it is illegal according to MLB rules to electronically steal signs, which is what they did here
     
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    I haven't thought this through, but I'll post it to see how it sounds.

    Breaking rules are breaking rules. But, even then, there are degrees.

    When it gets to the point that it becomes the norm, rather than a
    few offenders, it is time to react.

    I posted the occasion when the D-backs had (I don't remember if
    it was the tying run or lead run) on 3rd base in the 9th inning and
    the shift was on.

    All our batter had to do was poke it through the open side of the
    infield. But he stubbornly hit it into the shift. And it we lost.

    When swinging for a home run becomes more important than
    winning the game, it is time to react.

    As I posted, a 20-home run season is not worth all of the popups
    and strikeouts that go along with it. Whether it is a light hitter
    or a power hitter.

    If I were a Major League hitter, my go-to swing would be a line
    drive into the gap in right-center or left-center. Pick your pitches.

    Put yourself in scoring position or drive in runs to keep a rally going.

    All-or-nothing all the time doesn't usually provide good results, no
    matter what the situation.

    And that goes for the Commissioner of Baseball using juiced
    balls, but unilaterally changing it for the World Series. And
    lying about it.

    Or sign stealing using modern technology to turn the game
    into a bore and give one aspect of the game an advantage.

    Doping went too far and wound up keeping players out of
    the Hall of Fame because who knew if they deserved it on
    their own.

    Just like Shoeless Joe Jackson and the Black Sox scandal.

    Once again, it is time to cleanse the system.
     
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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...d-blinking-lights-to-steal-signs-in-2019-alcs
     
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    IMO this is bull ****! If allegations are confirmed, You start with the Manager Ban him for life for cheating. You strip the WS away and penalize the team ( picks, fines).

    Stealing signs from the pitcher is part of the game...but using technology to relay signs is straight b.s. and has no place in baseball!

    Saw the video where Stringer had an 0-2 count and belted a HR as he knew what was coming. Totally unfair!
     
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    Brian McTaggart
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    Rob Manfred said Astros investigation is "probably the most thorough investigation” his office has ever done. He said 60 witnesses have been interviewed and 76,000 emails reviewed, as well as "trove" of instant messages.

    No timetable on when it will wrap up.
     
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    Sixty witnesses and 76,000 emails. 76,000. Wow!

    'Glad to see that MLB is trying to keep their Leagues somewhat honest.
     

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