Official: Larry Fitzgerald is Coming Back

[TJ]

Over the Cap has his valuation at over $9 million. If you’re complaining about us overpaying, if we did, it was by less than $2mil.

https://overthecap.com/player/larry-fitzgerald/408/

Chill...

 

[Southpaw]

If Brady wasn't consuming as much of the Pats' cap, do you think Edelman might be making a few more sheckels??

Brady is one of the lowest paid QBs.

Before the current contract he was making $15 mm.

He just got bumped to $23mm

21 QBs make more than T B.

 

[MadCardDisease]

So your argument is that an older Fitz with materially worse stats last year (38% fewer yards) is worth 57% more in contract? Look I love Fitz and won’t quibble with the contract as it’s for one year and we aren’t going to win much next year anyway. But I can’t stand terrible arguments. And the argument put forth in regards to Edelman is based on his contract Fitz is worth his. If the numbers reported (roughly $7M for Edelman) is right, then on a performance for dollar using Edelman only shows how bad an $11M contract is for Fitz. 57% more money for 38% fewer yards.

Emmanuel Sanders, Sterling Shepard and Tyrell Williams are all making around $11M per year and put up similar numbers as Fitz. So I don't think $11M it is dramatically off for Fitz and the intangibles that he brings.

Would I prefer $9M per year for Fitz at his age. Yes

Am I going to get into a pissing contest with him over $2M when he is still producing. No

 

[Brian in Mesa]

you should write him a letter to stop inconveniencing your life with his.

LOL In the scope of things it's not a big deal but at the same time it just seems out of character for Larry. I'd expect it from T.O. or some other outlandish WR. Larry seems so much more straightforward in his words and actions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

LOL In the scope of things it's not a big deal but at the same time it just seems out of character for Larry. I'd expect it from T.O. or some other outlandish WR. Larry seems so much more straightforward in his words and actions.

Hmm. I would think that telling the team his intentions less than 3 weeks after the end of the season is straightforward.

 

[BigRedRage]

LOL In the scope of things it's not a big deal but at the same time it just seems out of character for Larry. I'd expect it from T.O. or some other outlandish WR. Larry seems so much more straightforward in his words and actions.

Like someone said before, if he blew out his knee in week 17, he might not come back. taking two weeks to make sure he finishes the season and feels good is not diva-like.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Hmm. I would think that telling the team his intentions less than 3 weeks after the end of the season is straightforward.

Yeah, one of the first things I said was he did do a much better job of not stringing "the decision" out this off-season. Still the whole thing seems odd. Especially when Kingsbury went public during the season (early December) with his desire to have him back on the team.

He's not "back." He never left. He was not leaving.

Is it time for the draft yet?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Emmanuel Sanders, Sterling Shepard and Tyrell Williams are all making around $11M per year and put up similar numbers as Fitz. So I don't think $11M it is dramatically off for Fitz and the intangibles that he brings.

Would I prefer $9M per year for Fitz at his age. Yes

Am I going to get into a pissing contest with him over $2M when he is still producing. No

Understand I’m not arguing so much about the contract. I’m arguing about a poor argument.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Like someone said before, if he blew out his knee in week 17, he might not come back. taking two weeks to make sure he finishes the season and feels good is not diva-like.

"Barring any major injury, I'll be back next season." has a good ring to it.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Is there some benefit (for the team and/or the player) to stringing together a lot of one-year deals (all for $11 million)? Why not sign up for 2 more at $22 million, 3 at $33 million, etc? Does it motivate Fitz to play like he's always in a contract year - even though the following year's deal is exactly the same deal?

 

[TJ]

Is there some benefit (for the team and/or the player) to stringing together a lot of one-year deals (all for $11 million)? Why not sign up for 2 more at $22 million, 3 at $33 million, etc? Does it motivate Fitz to play like he's always in a contract year - even though the following year's deal is exactly the same deal?

No because if he retires midway thru his contract, the team takes on dead money on the salary cap.

 

[Dback Jon]

there is nothing wrong with letting the man take his time. it impacts no one.

Season ended 17 days ago. Not really sure what BIM is bitching about, other than to bitch.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Season ended 17 days ago. Not really sure what BIM is bitching about, other than to bitch.

LOL

I hear the team plans to announce that Kyler Murray is returning next season, too.

#captainobvious

 

[Dr. Jones]

In that locker room.....
In this city......
Spiritually......

Larry Fitz is worth twice that amount.

Welcome home to the GOAT!!!

 

[Bkbobo]

So I guess that is a 11 million for #11. Aren't you glad that Larry does not wear a jersey number in the 80's

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So I guess that is a 11 million for #11. Aren't you glad that Larry does not wear a jersey number in the 80's

Steve Keim "We'd like you to wear #9 next season..."

 

[bankybruce]

Context is important. Looking at $11 million alone does not allow for true analysis. Here is a break down of what his Cap number was and what that number was in correlation to the cap number. For this year, I used the estimated number of $198 million against $11.25 million to match his salary from last year. His percent went down is the lowest since 2006/2007 when we was still on a rookie deal. 2010 was the uncapped year, so no percent available. I'm ok with 5.5% of the cap on a 45 man roster (only top 45 salaries count) for a guy who is still productive and a great leader on the team.

Year Cap Number Percent of Cap
2004 $2,300,000 2.90%
2005 $3,108,750 3.60%
2006 $6,121,250 6.00%
2007 $5,473,334 5.00%
2008 $6,993,334 6.00%
2009 $10,893,332 8.90%
2010 $10,400,000 --
2011 $19,250,000 16.00%
2012 $14,500,000 12.00%
2013 $10,250,000 8.30%
2014 $8,600,000 6.50%
2015 $10,850,000 7.60%
2016 $15,850,000 10.20%
2017 $15,850,000 9.50%
2018 $16,850,000 9.50%
2019 $11,250,000 6.00%
2020 $11,250,000 5.50%

 

[DemsMyBoys]

WHOOP-DEE-DO!!

This made my day. Maybe my week.

Heck, at this point, it made my year!

 

[Dback Jon]

Context is important. Looking at $11 million alone does not allow for true analysis. Here is a break down of what his Cap number was and what that number was in correlation to the cap number. For this year, I used the estimated number of $198 million against $11.25 million to match his salary from last year. His percent went down is the lowest since 2006/2007 when we was still on a rookie deal. 2010 was the uncapped year, so no percent available. I'm ok with 5.5% of the cap on a 45 man roster (only top 45 salaries count) for a guy who is still productive and a great leader on the team.

Year Cap Number Percent of Cap
2004 $2,300,000 2.90%
2005 $3,108,750 3.60%
2006 $6,121,250 6.00%
2007 $5,473,334 5.00%
2008 $6,993,334 6.00%
2009 $10,893,332 8.90%
2010 $10,400,000 --
2011 $19,250,000 16.00%
2012 $14,500,000 12.00%
2013 $10,250,000 8.30%
2014 $8,600,000 6.50%
2015 $10,850,000 7.60%
2016 $15,850,000 10.20%
2017 $15,850,000 9.50%
2018 $16,850,000 9.50%
2019 $11,250,000 6.00%
2020 $11,250,000 5.50%

Great analysis - thanks!

and the Cap is likely going to be a little higher - $199 or $200

 

[bg7brd]

If your agent said to you "If you want to hit FA, I've talk to teams, you'll get a deal right around 4-6 mill"
"Cards called and are offering you $11 mill"
You'd say "SIGN NOW before they change their mind"

https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/2019/

Take a look at the numbers from other WR in the NFL....and see how Fitz is paid more than Michael Thomas AND Edelman make $6 mill, that's 1/2 of Larry and produces 2x, if not more and they're covered by the other teams #1 CB.

It's absolute insanity paying 5% of the overall money to an aged WR who's covered by the 3rd CB on the opposing team and still Larry only produced 804 yards over 16 games....THAT'S JUST 50 yards a game. AGAIN - the other teams number 1 and 2 CB don't even cover him! He should be producing at over 1200 yards and dominating with the pay they're giving him.

You'll NEVER win throwing around money like this...just because he WAS a legend.

He produced less than 50 yards in 10 games
He produced less than 72 yards in 14 games
and produced less than 13 yards in 2 games. All Star - NO WAY

Vs. Stealers 12/8 Larry had 20 Yards - WOW!
Vs Saints 10/27 Larry had 8 Yards - Really!?!
Vs. Giants 10/20 Larry had 12 Yards
Vs. Panthers 9/22 Larry had 36 Yards
Only 2 games he had 100 yards

Your team just gave 5% of ALL OF THEIR MONEY to a guy who gives ya 50 yards a game....SMART

Ya'll loving this signing are so out dated on who Larry IS today and was last year....and the year before that just 734 yards.

You paid for a Ferrari, but left the lot with a Prius.

Maybe you forgot Cardinals still need an ENTIRE O line an Entire D line...Where's that money coming from? Did you forget the other 31 teams who'll be bidding (yes bidding) against ya?

ignorance is bliss

Maybe the Cardinals can resign Warner for $18 million, Larry Centers for $12 mill, Eric Swann for $7 mill and A. Williams for $12 mill. - Go for the Senior Citizen team of the year. Larry's day's of a dominant receiver a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG GONE. He's BARELY a 3rd or 4th WR at this point.

I would have let him go...when you end up in 4th place in your division...AGAIN and out of the playoff hunt in October....did you remember that? Cards were OUT of the hunt completely by the time Nov. 1st hit. It's time for CHANGE!

Ask yourself - if you watched the Cardinals this season 1 question
Where should the Cardinals priorities be in the off season?
Answer: O line and D line
Where would you put the priority at WR?
LOW LOW LOW LOW LOW LOW LOW ...yet the GM just spent 5% of the overall funds for a WR who doesn't produce on the field.

Not all value is measured in statistics.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Context is important. Looking at $11 million alone does not allow for true analysis. Here is a break down of what his Cap number was and what that number was in correlation to the cap number. For this year, I used the estimated number of $198 million against $11.25 million to match his salary from last year. His percent went down is the lowest since 2006/2007 when we was still on a rookie deal. 2010 was the uncapped year, so no percent available. I'm ok with 5.5% of the cap on a 45 man roster (only top 45 salaries count) for a guy who is still productive and a great leader on the team.

Year Cap Number Percent of Cap
2004 $2,300,000 2.90%
2005 $3,108,750 3.60%
2006 $6,121,250 6.00%
2007 $5,473,334 5.00%
2008 $6,993,334 6.00%
2009 $10,893,332 8.90%
2010 $10,400,000 --
2011 $19,250,000 16.00%
2012 $14,500,000 12.00%
2013 $10,250,000 8.30%
2014 $8,600,000 6.50%
2015 $10,850,000 7.60%
2016 $15,850,000 10.20%
2017 $15,850,000 9.50%
2018 $16,850,000 9.50%
2019 $11,250,000 6.00%
2020 $11,250,000 5.50%

Well put and glad you posted it

If YOU as the GM had to build around the current team can you honestly say you'd put 5.5% of the overall funds on a player who ON THE FIELD gets you all of 50 yards a game and averaged 1 TD every 4 games?
I'd think not when you need to field a team of 53.

Add to it you've got
Chandler Jones taking $16 million
David Johnson $10 million
Peterson $12 million
Justin Pugh $7 million
Jordan Hicks $6 million

You get my drift - the money they had of the $200 over $120 million is already spent.

They HAD $80 mill to spend for this next season. They just spent $11 of that $80 on Larry - thus spending 13.75% of what they had to spend....and in return for the 13.75% of the money you spent....you just got....a WR that averaged 50 yards a game and 1 TD every 4 games.

Good luck winning with that formula! (Sarcasm)
You can't!
The team has more holes than a spaghetti strainer and they spent all that money on an area THEY DON'T NEED


There is NO WAY the Cardinals can catch up in the division with the level of ineptitude of spending habits Keim brings to the table.

What's next - let Drake go instead of paying him....probably because they don't have the money to when FA hits.

You WILL see players take a mill here and a mill there to go to other teams...and when they're talking O and D line.....you will see! Till then ....spend like there's no tomorrow.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Brady is one of the lowest paid QBs.

Before the current contract he was making $15 mm.

He just got bumped to $23mm

21 QBs make more than T B.

Brady's cap hit in 2019 was $22 Million... though, that drops to $13.5 million in 2020, even though his actually salary in 2020 leaps to a whopping $30 million!

 

[82CardsGrad]

So your argument is that an older Fitz with materially worse stats last year (38% fewer yards) is worth 57% more in contract? Look I love Fitz and won’t quibble with the contract as it’s for one year and we aren’t going to win much next year anyway. But I can’t stand terrible arguments. And the argument put forth in regards to Edelman is based on his contract Fitz is worth his. If the numbers reported (roughly $7M for Edelman) is right, then on a performance for dollar using Edelman only shows how bad an $11M contract is for Fitz. 57% more money for 38% fewer yards.

My argument is that:

1.) Fitz is more valuable to his team than is Edelman to his...
2.) If Edelman were on any other team, he would likely be earning several million more...

 

[ajcardfan]

Retired? Why, because we live in Mesa? LOL

It feels totally manufactured. Fitz knew all along he was coming back. Why not just say so? Maybe he just likes people talking about it all the time. I'm not even talking about reporters and their questions. Can't tell you how many people - every year, recently - have come to me as their "friend who is a Cards' fan" just to ask me "Do you think Fitz is coming back?"

Sounds like you have some personal issue about it. Does it.bother you these people ask you about Fitz? Why? Maybe the problem isn't with Fitz, maybe it is with how you handle it. Something so minor in the scope of your life shouldn't bother you. Try the 4-7-8 breathing technique when you find yourself obsessing on Fitz and his nonretirements.


That will be $60.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Sounds like you have some personal issue about it. Does it.bother you these people ask you about Fitz? Why? Maybe the problem isn't with Fitz, maybe it is with how you handle it. Something so minor in the scope of your life shouldn't bother you. Try the 4-7-8 breathing technique when you find yourself obsessing on Fitz and his nonretirements.


That will be $60.

I'll send you some A$FN. LOL