My bad, Monti

[HairZach]

If an OL Coach leaving can turn your entire offense into an abject disaster, there is something seriously wrong the foundation laid for that offense… and the GM who laid it.

I mean, we’re not even talking about losing the entire Offensive Coordinator of the team. We’re talking about losing ONE POSITION coach. That shouldn’t make that much of a difference if the foundation is solid enough.

An OL coach leaving shouldnt cause this kind of disruption, but its kind of a rug pull on the GM if all your OL starters from the previous year start massively underperforming for an unknown reason. You don't team build with that in mind.

An alternative explanation to the OL performance is something is tipping our plays to defenses; it's much harder for lineman to get blocks off when the defense knows what's coming.

If the issue is anything besides Klayton being a genius essential to the staff, Gannon should be able to fix it over the 10 day break. If he can't get the OL execution massively improved, or at least find a work around, everyone probably gets fired. Temporary issues with certain units happen, even to contenders (cough, Ravens secondary last year), the good teams are able to fix it during the year. The 2023 Bills had a period where they lost 4/6 games with the offense/Josh Allen performing horrendously.

We really haven't been playing that terribly when you look at what our opponents have done. The Saints were in a dog fight with the Bills until very late, they've stayed competitive in 3/4 games. The Panthers are kinda bad but they blew out a team that was supposed to be better than us (30-0 Falcons). They never had a lead against us. The Seahawks and 49IRs are very good teams, and our games with them were toss ups. An even more injured 49ers than we played beat the Rams. Mac Jones is 3-0 and the world seems to think he's the next Baker/Darnold story. He will probably start for the Steelers next year.

We're 2-2 and seem like a mediocre to decent team in the grand scheme of the league. We're just really boring to watch on offense. The book isn't written on this team, plenty of time for them to rise above or disappoint further.

 

[Stout]

The argument for Keim over Monti thus far isn't a good reflection on Keim but a very, very bad reflection on Monti at this point in his career. TBF, he has not been good.

 

[oaken1]

An OL coach leaving shouldnt cause this kind of disruption, but its kind of a rug pull on the GM if all your OL starters from the previous year start massively underperforming for an unknown reason. You don't team build with that in mind.

An alternative explanation to the OL performance is something is tipping our plays to defenses; it's much harder for lineman to get blocks off when the defense knows what's coming.

If the issue is anything besides Klayton being a genius essential to the staff, Gannon should be able to fix it over the 10 day break. If he can't get the OL execution massively improved, or at least find a work around, everyone probably gets fired. Temporary issues with certain units happen, even to contenders (cough, Ravens secondary last year), the good teams are able to fix it during the year. The 2023 Bills had a period where they lost 4/6 games with the offense/Josh Allen performing horrendously.

We really haven't been playing that terribly when you look at what our opponents have done. The Saints were in a dog fight with the Bills until very late, they've stayed competitive in 3/4 games. The Panthers are kinda bad but they blew out a team that was supposed to be better than us (30-0 Falcons). They never had a lead against us. The Seahawks and 49IRs are very good teams, and our games with them were toss ups. An even more injured 49ers than we played beat the Rams. Mac Jones is 3-0 and the world seems to think he's the next Baker/Darnold story. He will probably start for the Steelers next year.

We're 2-2 and seem like a mediocre to decent team in the grand scheme of the league. We're just really boring to watch on offense. The book isn't written on this team, plenty of time for them to rise above or disappoint further.

That's a key point that I also touched on a while back.
Our entire scheme is designed to be a slog. To shorten games...and if the rare deeper pass misses or the RB gets tripped up right before hitting open field...it is painfully dull to watch.
It's gonna take league action to fix. The rules have been shifted to favor the offenses so much the past 20 years that the defenses are forced to focus on preventing explosives...and offenses are left with dink and dunk...the best teams have a couple YAC capable players who can create their own explosives from an 8 yard catch...but not everyone has a few of those guys..we certainly don't.

The end result, scoring is down and declining across the league...and fans aren't as willing to battle traffic, weather, and increasing costs to experience a 9-12 shootout in person.

The rules committee has to come up with a way to force teams out of shell defenses..

Maybe....
On each snap of the ball the defending team is required to have at least six but not more than 8 players in the "Box"

That would open passing up while also increasing run success in goal line situations.


Doesn't help us now though

 

[schutd]

I don’t know what Monti’s done to deserve any kind of kudos over Keim at this point.

2 fewer DUI's?

 

[Stout]

2 fewer DUI's?

Zing!

 

[WakeForestCard]

That's a key point that I also touched on a while back.
Our entire scheme is designed to be a slog. To shorten games...and if the rare deeper pass misses or the RB gets tripped up right before hitting open field...it is painfully dull to watch.
It's gonna take league action to fix. The rules have been shifted to favor the offenses so much the past 20 years that the defenses are forced to focus on preventing explosives...and offenses are left with dink and dunk...the best teams have a couple YAC capable players who can create their own explosives from an 8 yard catch...but not everyone has a few of those guys..we certainly don't.

The end result, scoring is down and declining across the league...and fans aren't as willing to battle traffic, weather, and increasing costs to experience a 9-12 shootout in person.

The rules committee has to come up with a way to force teams out of shell defenses..

Maybe....
On each snap of the ball the defending team is required to have at least six but not more than 8 players in the "Box"

That would open passing up while also increasing run success in goal line situations.


Doesn't help us now though

I know it’s early in the year, but 2025 has the 3rd highest points per game ever. 5th most TDs per game in the past 50 years or so. League wide offense is fine. Ours just isn’t.

I’d stop watching the sport if silly Arena Football rules were implemented.

 

[Chopper0080]

Monti isn’t the embarrassment that Keim was for sure. He might also be more committed and a better person. When it comes down to building a good football team tho, Monti had been below mid so far.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Monti isn’t the embarrassment that Keim was for sure. He might also be more committed and a better person. When it comes down to building a good football team tho, Monti had been below mid so far.

we'll see

 

[Proximo]

The argument for Keim over Monti thus far isn't a good reflection on Keim but a very, very bad reflection on Monti at this point in his career. TBF, he has not been good.

No it's just plain dumb.

Keim is 5X worse than Monti by any calculation. Almost all of Monti's picks are at least getting playing time, half of Keim's never even got on the field.

it's not just the draft either, Keim made stupid free agent signings and trades for old washed up players all the time.

I think everyone rushing to judge last years draft class already is premature. I still see potential in nearly all of them, although I will admit the backslide by Adams has been alarming.

 

[Chopper0080]

we'll see

Of course. There is still time until there isn't.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Of course. There is still time until there isn't.

exactly - lot of season left - if we suck at the end of it due to lack of talent (like last year) i will be fully on board - anything less than a winning record is suck

 

[Chopper0080]

No it's just plain dumb.

Keim is 5X worse than Monti by any calculation. Almost all of Monti's picks are at least getting playing time, half of Keim's never even got on the field.

it's not just the draft either, Keim made stupid free agent signings and trades for old washed up players all the time.

I think everyone rushing to judge last years draft class already is premature. I still see potential in nearly all of them, although I will admit the backslide by Adams has been alarming.

-Paris Johnson - Good
-BJ Ojulari - Bad
-Garrett Williams - Mid (if he doesn't come back this season he will have played 27 of potential 51 games over first 3 seasons)
-Michael Wilson - Mid
-Jon Gaines - Bad
-Clayton Tune - Bad
-Owen Pappoe - Bad
-K Clark - Mid (up and down for sure)
-D Stills - Good

So an ok first draft class but if you choose to gut the roster, it's put more pressure on more of your picks to hit.

 

[Chopper0080]

The biggest albatross for Monti has been his 2024 FA class. Spending so much money on Jonah Williams, Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols and SMB to have none of them probably be extension options is a huge miss.

 

[Stout]

No it's just plain dumb.

Keim is 5X worse than Monti by any calculation. Almost all of Monti's picks are at least getting playing time, half of Keim's never even got on the field.

it's not just the draft either, Keim made stupid free agent signings and trades for old washed up players all the time.

I think everyone rushing to judge last years draft class already is premature. I still see potential in nearly all of them, although I will admit the backslide by Adams has been alarming.

As sad as the Kim era was, Monti and the Cards will have to do a lot of heavy lifting to get to the success Keim had early on. Yeah, Keim fell apart like a cheap watch, but Monti has never gotten anything going yet. What is "plain dumb" is claiming Monti has done anything significantly well yet.

 

[DVontel]

Garrett Williams - Mid

Be serious.

 

[kerouac9]

No it's just plain dumb.

Keim is 5X worse than Monti by any calculation. Almost all of Monti's picks are at least getting playing time, half of Keim's never even got on the field.

it's not just the draft either, Keim made stupid free agent signings and trades for old washed up players all the time.

I think everyone rushing to judge last years draft class already is premature. I still see potential in nearly all of them, although I will admit the backslide by Adams has been alarming.

Let’s check their records though their first two-plus seasons:

Keim and Arians: 24-12
MOJG: 14-24

Oops.

Okay—what about the bad times? MOJG must be outperforming Keim and Kliff; they were a disaster!

Keim and Kliff: 17-18-1

Yikes.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The biggest albatross for Monti has been his 2024 FA class. Spending so much money on Jonah Williams, Justin Jones, Bilal Nichols and SMB to have none of them probably be extension options is a huge miss.

4-4 bust rate is impressive.

 

[Chopper0080]

Be serious.

Play = good.
health = bad.
Combined = mid

Being healthy for only 50% of potential games over your first three seasons (considering he is out for the year) is a concern long term. Torn ACL in college. Knee injury now. Hopefully not the same but CBs don't normally get better after multiple knee injuries.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The fact that less embarrassing and off-putting Steve Keim has an apology thread is sad.

Just change My to You're and it makes sense.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Almost all of Monti's picks are at least getting playing time.

You say this like it is a good thing.

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[Cheesebeef]

-Paris Johnson - Good
-BJ Ojulari - Bad
-Garrett Williams - Mid (if he doesn't come back this season he will have played 27 of potential 51 games over first 3 seasons)
-Michael Wilson - Mid
-Jon Gaines - Bad
-Clayton Tune - Bad
-Owen Pappoe - Bad
-K Clark - Mid (up and down for sure)
-D Stills - Good

So an ok first draft class but if you choose to gut the roster, it's put more pressure on more of your picks to hit.

You’re being generous even with Wilson. Based on his production, he’s bad also.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You’re being generous even with Wilson. Based on his production, he’s bad also.

He's a top 100 pick who is no better than Dortch. That is bad.

 

[Proximo]

You say this like it is a good thing.

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As opposed to being so bad they get cut without ever playing - yeah it is. It means the coaching staff thinks they at least have potential

 

[Proximo]

Let’s check their records though their first two-plus seasons:

Keim and Arians: 24-12
MOJG: 14-24

Oops.

Okay—what about the bad times? MOJG must be outperforming Keim and Kliff; they were a disaster!

Keim and Kliff: 17-18-1

Yikes.

Well I think Petzing is a problem, and some is probably Kyler regression.

Overall I think this current team is more talented than most if not all of the Kingsbury era - and significantly younger with more potential to improve.

But QB and the offensive game plan is so important it can overcome that.

 

[Carolinacacti]

The man that helped drive the best coach in franchise history into early "retirement"? Keim would throw away draft picks every year trading for bad players in an attempt to be "all in" during years where it was clear we weren't a contender. I know, a 4th here, and a couple of 5ths there, a 6th, a 7th; it doesnt feel like much at the time, but it all adds up. It was constant. He let the premium talents walk far too often, and most former players came away hating him on a personal level. He just couldn't manage a team, even when he hired the perfect coach, he drove the operation into the ground and made the coach flee.

It's obvious that Monti hasn't revolutionized our scouting methods, but there is at least a coherent plan. The 2024 draft whiffs may be infuriating, but trading away a 1st to rent Hollywood Brown? All because Hopkins was suspended? My god. That sort of trade sets a franchise back years. The 2022 1st rounder should still be a contributor on a rookie contract.

Being better than Keim is a low bar.

Right now things are a disaster because our OL coach left and every lineman besides Paris has comically regressed. There is a good chance our current coaches can get these guys playing up to the level they did last year. That should be possible. No, we're not going to become the Lions or the Ravens. Until Monti gets lucky in the draft we're a boring, painfully average team.

Well the Ravens are in trouble but I agree