Marvin Harrison Sr. Torches Cards Offense

[football karma]

this is a really big deal.........

 

[TJ]

Patiently awaiting Brit's rebuttal... (he loves to tell HOFers they are wrong)

Both things are correct: Kyler is a subaverage QB and the offensive scheme is not effective

 

[TJ]

Did someone explain to him that Peyton Manning > Kyler Murray?

Best comment in the article is that MHS said that Peyton just got him the ball and he didnt have to ask.

 

[Chopper0080]

But you don’t think MHJ & his ability doesn’t have to do with any of that, though?

I see a guy like JSN gets open with ease regardless of who is covering him whether it’s press, off, or zone. I don’t see the same with Marv when it comes to going against press. CBs are all on his back while they’re 3 yards behind JSN’s.

I don't, but I could be wrong. Several things go into creating separation. I don't think MHJ is a Randy Moss level athlete to create separation down the field but I believe there is a way to use him where he can create space.

 

[Chopper0080]

Best comment in the article is that MHS said that Peyton just got him the ball and he didnt have to ask.

He shouldn't have had to. But Kyler isn't that level of QB.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

But you don’t think MHJ & his ability doesn’t have to do with any of that, though?

I see a guy like JSN gets open with ease regardless of who is covering him whether it’s press, off, or zone. I don’t see the same with Marv when it comes to going against press. CBs are all on his back while they’re 3 yards behind JSN’s.

MHJ is usually blanketed, which is why his YAC is non existent. He's a possession receiver, so the QB has to be comfortable throwing in tight coverage.

 

[DaHilg]

This is what a sane person reads from an article with comments after 2 games with JB at QB… yet this gets changed into posting about KDS?!?! Kyler sucks we get it but that’s not what SR was saying here lol

 

[RON_IN_OC]

MHJ is usually blanketed, which is why his YAC is non existent. He's a possession receiver, so the QB has to be comfortable throwing in tight coverage.

He can get YAC on crossing routes and has shown so, but there seems to be a reluctance to have him running across the middle on a regular basis. They are intent on making him a sideline deep threat, but he could really excell being moved around more, IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

MHJ is usually blanketed, which is why his YAC is non existent. He's a possession receiver, so the QB has to be comfortable throwing in tight coverage.

Route type and route predictability impact these things.

 

[BirdGangThing]

question is does mhj feel the same way?

cuz he's sweet as daisies singing kyler's praises in the locker room - brissett's too but let's not forget he hasn't had much time with brissett

maybe they feel how's the time to speak up with a qb in place that can get marv the ball during normal business hours - not after murray scrambles and it's another evening at the improv

marv sr wants his son to have what he had - the ball - something kyler can't do consistently

 

[football karma]

He shouldn't have had to. But Kyler isn't that level of QB.

i dunno

Kyler didnt have any issue getting Hopkins the football from day 1.

Kyler has his issues, but the Harrison Sr comments sure suggest that the scheme is playing a big role

 

[PDXChris]

question is does mhj feel the same way?

cuz he's sweet as daisies singing kyler's praises in the locker room - brissett's too but let's not forget he hasn't had much time with brissett

maybe they feel how's the time to speak up with a qb in place that can get marv the ball during normal business hours - not after murray scrambles and it's another evening at the improv

marv sr wants his son to have what he had - the ball - something kyler can't do consistently

Sr. is talking about the offense, not the QBs. Why wouldn't Jr. praise his QBs if both Sr. and Jr. hate the schemes, but do love his QBs or at least feel the scheme is more to blame.

Or he being careful to keep his QBs heads high, which could the bigger reason why.

All of this is conjecture on my part though.

 

[602 Native]

We just need to get rid of the QB and all problems will be fixed.

What the hell does Marvin Harrison know.

 

[602 Native]

If Jacoby has another good game I'll be hesitant to say the scheme sucks. Jacoby over the last two games wasn't just better than Kyler, it was up there with the best QBs in the league.

When a career backup does that, it usually means he's being carried by a really good scheme.

Only Cards fans would say such foolishness.

 

[Mr X]

Yes, let the drama begin. Hopefully Kyler's dad gets in on it too. Past players, employees, waiters, anyone who can get this ownership the F out of here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i dunno

Kyler didnt have any issue getting Hopkins the football from day 1.

Kyler has his issues, but the Harrison Sr comments sure suggest that the scheme is playing a big role

Kyler was a much different QB six years ago.

 

[HairZach]

The inability to feed both McBride and MHJ is arguably my biggest issue with Petzing and his offense.

We'll see with a different QB. Kyler can't feed both because he is going to throw 15 checkdowns a game to the RBs regardless of the situation. It really eats into the volume available for everyone else.

Studs eat in even the worst offensive environments. McBride is that level of player, I'm not sold MHJ is. A QB that can throw on time will go a long way in being able to tell if he is. But we rarely see MHJ beat his DB the same way JSN does every week.

Brock Bowers just played his first healthy game since his injury in week 1. Geno, who has been having the worst QB season ever, was able to feed Bowers 12 receptions, 127 yards and 3 TDs. No one on the field could cover Bowers, completely unguardable.

 

[HairZach]

Only Cards fans would say such foolishness.

Jacoby's advanced stats in the past two games were outstanding. That is not debatable that is a fact. Either Jacoby is secretly good or Petzing's scheme was putting him in really favorable looks. There's absolutely no way Jacoby can keep this up regardless.

 

[HairZach]

This is what a sane person reads from an article with comments after 2 games with JB at QB… yet this gets changed into posting about KDS?!?! Kyler sucks we get it but that’s not what SR was saying here lol

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Subtle shade at Kyler

Senior's comments can be interpreted as either shade on Kyler or Petzing. He doesnt go into specifics about what makes the Cardinals offense hard to watch. He just says that he wouldn't produce in that situation.

 

[Goodyear Card]

I think we all struggle to watch Cardinals football.

 

[Shane]

Best comment in the article is that MHS said that Peyton just got him the ball and he didnt have to ask.

I mean, that would be great if you caught the ball enough to give your quarterback confidence in you rather than dropping it all the time or running half ass routes

 

[TJ]

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Subtle shade at Kyler

Senior's comments can be interpreted as either shade on Kyler or Petzing. He doesnt go into specifics about what makes the Cardinals offense hard to watch. He just says that he wouldn't produce in that situation.

Everyone's catching strays

 

[TJ]

I mean, that would be great if you caught the ball enough to give your quarterback confidence in you rather than dropping it all the time or running half ass routes

MHJ needs to lock in better, but it would help for him to be given reassurance that he's part of the plan.

 

[DaHilg]

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Subtle shade at Kyler

Senior's comments can be interpreted as either shade on Kyler or Petzing. He doesnt go into specifics about what makes the Cardinals offense hard to watch. He just says that he wouldn't produce in that situation.

Again - these quotes are post JB playing 2 games. Then it’s shade on him as well if you are interpreting it differently than the obvious and direct statements he’s saying about the scheme. Even JR is referencing the scheme directly (but is being a positive teammate about it )

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I mean, that would be great if you caught the ball enough to give your quarterback confidence in you rather than dropping it all the time or running half ass routes

This. Dude has a 60% catch ratio (50 targets / 24 catches), up slightly from 53% his rookie year.

Also, MH senior had 70 and 59 catches in Manning's first 2 seasons. His yards per target were 7.3 or less in each of his 1st 3 years. Juniors was 7.6 as a rookie and 9.9 this year. It wasn't until Manning's 3rd seasons and seniors 4th season that they really clicked and went off. So, IMO, while Petzing's offense has been poop, senior wasn't exactly crushing the competition his first 3 seasons.

Pops really needs to put things in a more like for like perspective.