There is nothing silly about it. You actually supported my point, Ouchie. I was referring to Jeff's lack of aggressiveness. The NBA is a rough league. As you pointed out about the Celtics. A lot of contact. Horny's image/demeanor/behavior was anything but rough. Which is why Cotton likened him to his paper boy. Flinging papers from the sidewalk to the front porch from his bike. The latest example? Deandre Ayton. A gentleman on the court. Shying away from contact. Finger rolls at the basket. His recent love affair with the 3-point shot is a perfect example. As Leo Durocher said, "Nice guys finish last." Using your example, how many championships do the Celtics have? And how many do the Suns have in their half-century? With one legitimate Finals appearance. And one Sunderella appearance against . . . the Celtics. Who beat us!