Has Cam Johnson displaced Oubre?

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    Lebron/wade/bosh weren’t shooters.

    pierce and kg weren’t shooters (Allen was).

    no one can convince that their styles precluded having them on the same team.
     
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    He seems more than willing to be a back-up now, and that’s with Oubre and Baynes out. He is easily good enough to be a rotation player on a playoff team; he does lots of good stuff and crushes bench bigs. He does have a low ceiling in terms of who he can play against—he’s not guarding Anthony Davis or Giannis—but he is very useful as a bench piece.
     
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    KD and Curry have limitless range and are great ball handlers and passers. TJ is a bucket but he can’t create looks for others.
     
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    pierce and KG definitely were shooters; pierce from 3 and KG from long2.

    lost in this Booker/TJ discussion is that TJ never got to play with this leveled-up SuperBooker that’s emerged lately. And SuperBooker has not played with leveled-up GodShootingRange Warren. Decent chance the current versions of these guys would fit pretty well. But they’d need DA playing elite defense to survive on that end.
     
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    Agreed, if this remains the version we would get. He was terrible and virtually unplayable earlier in the season.
     
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    Chemistry is a delicate thing. Not sure which would have made the most difference. What I do know is that we had already had seen the Book/TJ combo and it did not go far. If we could have added Rubio with Book and TJ, maybe that would have worked. But Book and TJ without Rubio was going nowhere.
     
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    Same was said about pierce through his early career.
     
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    Pierce and KG were no more shooters than are booker or the last two seasons of warren.
     
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    For the era Pierce shot a lot of 3’s. In 2002 he was top-5 in attempts and hit 40%.
     
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    The equation has evolved especially during the restart in Orlando.

    Saric looks like a solid power forward off the bench if he accepts this role and providing the Suns can keep him on a reasonable contract.

    Also Cam Johnson looks like he can play the power forward position as well. Also we know Bridges and Oubre play well together at forward. So Bridges, Oubre, Cam Johnson and Jerami Grant would be a bit redundant. They are very similar players and no need for the Suns do overpay for a starter in free agency. Although I still like Grant I'm not feeling the need as I did earlier.

    This doesn't mean the Suns do not need to strengthen the power forward position but rather they don't necessarily need to add a starter unless they want to trade a forward for one but this is really another discussion.

    The Suns might be wise to look at 4/5 players that have length, rebound and protect the rim. A draft pick could help plus of course there is free agency.

    Jordan Clarkson is looking awfully good as a free agent target.

    Of course a lot of things can change with the draft and what happens with Saric.
     
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    as a starter, yes, he was terrible

    I assume we will get “Dario against bench bigs” when he continues to come off the bench.
     
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    nah, PP was always a good creator (check his ast and ft rates; he destroys TJ)
     
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    Saric deserves 7-8 AAV.

    He’s at least 50% as valuable as Kelly at 15 AAV.
     
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    I believe you hit on the reason Jerami Grant doesn't excite most people, he'd be a bit redundant with the forwards we have now. He's more of a PF than SF but he's not a natural PF by means. I don't think his skill set differs enough to offer the sort of money it might take to sign him. He's not a lock to start based on talent and I'd hate to see them lock him as starting PF because they overpaid him also.

    I think the Suns need a combo PF/C to help add depth at PF. They need a backup Center anyways and ideally they'll have 3 C's on the roster. I'd like to see a veteran backup behind Ayton and then an undrafted, 2nd round pick, g-league type of player as the 3rd C. He can see garbage time and practice minutes in his first year, no need to rush him along. Of course if there is an injury then they might need to rely on him more but if they added a PF/C like a Derrick Favors, who would play PF for us primarily but can also slide over to Center when needed, that would give us a solid frontcourt rotation.

    I think Favors would cost too much and that's fine. They'd probably want someone who wouldn't get upset if he didn't see minutes every game. A cheaper signing, someone who is only going to get about $3-4 million a year should be the target. If Kaminsky didn't suck I'd say he fits the bill of a vet who doesn't mind DNP's and can play both PF & C but he's also a poor rebounder/interior player. I hope this spot can be addressed in the draft, I think there are a few players there who fit the bill but I don't have their names in front of me ATM.

    We're on the same page in regards to pursuing Jordan Clarkson. After deciding who is being cut and who is being kept amongst our own FA's, they should pursue him with an offer that would eat up the bulk of the funds they have available. He'd be a great backup combo guard who can score in bunches, create for himself and others, and play decent defense. He's also played that role for a while so I don't see it being an issue going forward. He's fairly young also and would help put us in a better position when Rubio's deal is up in 2 years. We can resign Rubio since he'll just be 32 with very few playoff miles on him but we won't need to sign him as bad as we did last summer. If they strike out with Clarkson then they should wait and see if a team is willing to part with anyone of value to clear some cap space.
     
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    In your scenario here, who is our starting power forward, then?
     

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