GM Poll - Monti or Keim?

[Harry]

Another big disagreement. I actually think it’s too early to make that call.

 

[Proximo]

Keim could not draft at all. Monti's record is not great either, but at least his picks are backups, most of Keim's picks didn't even make the team after a year.

Keim resorted to trades for old players to boost immediate results, most of which gave up too much for a decent drafting GM but for him they were OK because the picks in his hands were usually worthless. He was not even attempting to build for the future because even he knew he sucked at drafting.

I don't really think it's close, I take Monti every time over Keim.

 

[Goldfield]

Ossenfort is so bad at roster construction, a win against the Falcons rises him to a 16% win percentage without Murray.

Nobody wins with out a QB

 

[Goldfield]

fudge, Marry, Kill: Graves, Keim, Ossenfort.

I'd say fudge Keim, marry Graves, kill Ossenfort. At least Keim knows how to have a good time and Graves, though slow and plodding, is a steady kinda guy

Just kill me now with that list

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Keim could not draft at all. Monti's record is not great either, but at least his picks are backups, most of Keim's picks didn't even make the team after a year.

Keim resorted to trades for old players to boost immediate results, most of which gave up too much for a decent drafting GM but for him they were OK because the picks in his hands were usually worthless. He was not even attempting to build for the future because even he knew he sucked at drafting.

I don't really think it's close, I take Monti every time over Keim.

Keim had more whiffs but also hit Home Runs while Monti hits bloop singles.

David Johnson
Tyrann Mathieu
Budda Baker
Trey McBride

These are all all pro players drafted by Keim with several pro bowls.

These were all absolute HRs. Kyler, for all his faults, is far more accomplished than any of Ossenfort's pick's to date with 2 pro bowls.

Then you get into the trades of Palmer, Veldheer, DHop, and Chandler Jones it's just a chasm of difference in talent acquisition.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

There are around 10 all pro appearances amongst those 9 players and probably double that in pro bowls.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Man hang this post in the louvre

Okay?

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

CoPilot says this

Player	Pro Bowls (AZ only)	All‑Pro (AZ only)
Trey McBride	2	1
David Johnson	1	2
Tyrann Mathieu	1	1
Budda Baker	8	2
Carson Palmer	1	1
Kyler Murray	2	0
DeAndre Hopkins	1	0
Chandler Jones	3	2

 

[Proximo]

Keim had more whiffs but also hit Home Runs while Monti hits bloop singles.

David Johnson
Tyrann Mathieu
Budda Baker
Trey McBride

These are all all pro players drafted by Keim with several pro bowls.

These were all absolute HRs. Kyler, for all his faults, is far more accomplished than any of Ossenfort's pick's to date with 2 pro bowls.

Then you get into the trades of Palmer, Veldheer, DHop, and Chandler Jones it's just a chasm of difference in talent acquisition.

I feel it is too early to say this.

Will Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Nolan, Love all have the ability to become every bit as good as the 4 you listed.

Paris, Mike Wilson, Garrett Williams are already very solid starters.

 

[Goldfield]

I take Monti over Kiem for drafting and he seems to value the trenches and positional value most of the time. But there is no denying Kiem made some very good trades. Early Kiem was good but it didn’t last. I also think Monti has made mistakes but he is a rookie and it’s still early. Hard to compete in this division with bad QB

 

[Dayman]

Keim had more whiffs but also hit Home Runs while Monti hits bloop singles.

David Johnson
Tyrann Mathieu
Budda Baker
Trey McBride

These are all all pro players drafted by Keim with several pro bowls.

These were all absolute HRs. Kyler, for all his faults, is far more accomplished than any of Ossenfort's pick's to date with 2 pro bowls.

Then you get into the trades of Palmer, Veldheer, DHop, and Chandler Jones it's just a chasm of difference in talent acquisition.

Zach Allen also has a couple of All Pro designations. Byron Murphy made the Pro Bowl a couple years ago, too. Keim completely imploded at the end, but people really down play what he did before that.

Monti, on the other hand, gets to be in perpetual wait and see mode despite having top 5 picks in 3 of his 4 drafts.

 

[ajcardfan]

You have to go by results and so it is Keim by a mile and a half at this point. Keim's first three seasons were 10-6, 11-5 and 13-3. Sure, give Arians and Palmer the credit but who got those guys.

Monti is 4-13, 8-9 and 3-14. And quite likely to be even worse than 3-14 this season. His drafts, on paper, looked good. But the results? Awful. And, unless several of them hit their projected talent this year, we won't even sniff .500.

Last year was supposed to be the year Monti approximated Keim's third year. It was all setup. Three drafts. Several free agents. A top 10 offense from 2024. A weak, extremely favorable schedule. Result? Sure, he matched Keim by getting the same number of wins as Keim's losses.

Worst of all? The defense was a complete embarrassment the last half of the season. I don't give a crap about the injuries. The guys out there played with poor effort and played like they had practiced on their own without coaching some times. And what does Monti do? REHIRES the DC. Sorry, but that is a clown show move IMO. Not a serious GM when you do things like that.

 

[Proximo]

Zach Allen also has a couple of All Pro designations. Byron Murphy made the Pro Bowl a couple years ago, too. Keim completely imploded at the end, but people really down play what he did before that.

Monti, on the other hand, gets to be in perpetual wait and see mode despite having top 5 picks in 3 of his 4 drafts.

Perpetual wait and see?

Nolan barely played last year. Harrison has not been targeted like a number 1 receiver. When Wilson finally was last year - he looked damn good. Benson has played like 3 games. Ojilari has missed most of his available games to injury. Robinson does appear to suck - but everyone whiffs on firsts occasionally.

How the players are used and their availablility does matter - a lot.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

but the team records tho

Keims teams were winning machines compared to Monti’s and I bet Keim’s career winning percentage is 20 points higher than Monti’s.

 

[ajcardfan]

Perpetual wait and see?

Nolan barely played last year. Harrison has not been targeted like a number 1 receiver. When Wilson finally was last year - he looked damn good. Benson has played like 3 games. Ojilari has missed most of his available games to injury. Robinson does appear to suck - but everyone whiffs on firsts occasionally.

How the players are used and their availablility does matter - a lot.

He took several gambles on talented players coming off of injuries in college. That has not panned out so far. Can Nolen, Johnson, G Williams, Benson and BJ (both of whom are likely to get cut), etc get a full season under their belts? If so, we could surprise and win maybe 4 or 5 games and look at something to build on.

 

[602 Native]

This is a laughable question now

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Keim did an interview recently and he owned he had told Micheal he would trade up to get Mahommes and he blew it thinking he would fall. Now he could be full of crap but it seems legit

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

This is a laughable question now

I would love to do a venn diagram for dislike of Kyler Murray vs dislike of Keim. I am guessing they align since the contract Keim gave him

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

like pre and post Kyler contract for Keim has to be a pretty stunning shift in approval

 

[Cardinal88]

Monte! Keim was terrible except for a couple of trades. Jury isn’t 100% failute on Monte like Kiem was.

 

[Totally_Red]

Monti has a chance to improve to average if MLF is who I hope he is. Gannon was not good at talent evaluation imo. If MLF is and Monti listens to him and acquires the talent he identifies who knows.

I am not confident that the powers that be can identify and hire a superior GM. Sad.

 

[kerouac9]

Another big disagreement. I actually think it’s too early to make that call.

Yes Keim was 34-14 in his first three seasons as GM and Monti’s teams have gone 15-36.

TOO CLOSE TO CALL

 

[602 Native]

Yes Keim was 34-14 in his first three seasons as GM and Monti’s teams have gone 15-36.

TOO CLOSE TO CALL

Obviously that means nothing.
All that matters is vibes and hope.

It will almost be impossible for Monti to get a winning record after next season. We might win 2 games.

 

[some dumb guy]

Obviously that means nothing.
All that matters is vibes and hope.

It will almost be impossible for Monti to get a winning record after next season. We might win 2 games.

That's the most optimistic you've been in days...LOL

 

[Zalixar]

I get Monti got stuck with the bill, but he's yet to show he's got what it takes to ball in the big leagues. He should have been ousted with Gannon.

Keim found success. That actually counts for something, even if he did crash and burn.