GM Poll - Monti or Keim?

[mel typer]

I meant no shade mel. Just pointing out that there are a lot of post devoid of punctuation, and IMO it's due to texting. Nothing more.

No man I should reread and catch mistakes. I don't because I'm 58 years old and kinda lazy. I do have an edgamication. Or at least pay for one and she is keeping her grades everything is fine

 

[Adrian]

Thanks Mussolini

Don’t mention it.

 

[Harry]

Keim’s success was primarily from 2 sources. He should get credit for starting the trend of getting players whose careers seemed in decline to take one year “prove it” deals. Those contracts paid off and are now common among many teams. He also got lucky. There’s an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. I’ve added what I call Greene’s corollary, which is knowing what to do when you find yourself there. For the latter, Keim gets credit. Arians is coach of the year, but is a free agent. Palmer is available for trade. Keim makes both moves and is rewarded with a great, though short 3 year run of success. That ends in 2015. The next 7 years of his tenure produced 1 winning record. This win prompts Keim in what proved to be his final year to sign Murray to a then gigantic extension, which IMO has handicapped the Cards and now Ossenfort since. Keim was the one who said he wanted Mahomes, but instead of trading up enough, settled for Rosen. It’s worth noting that if Keim was such a good GM, why has no other team signed him even as an advisor. He gets some credit, but I’m willing to see what Ossenfort can do with a level playing field. Until he gets a real shot at a QB, I counsel patience. It’s a tough job to master. I’ve seen him learn from mistakes, which is a good sign. I like the coaching change. If after the 2027 draft we don’t have serious improvement I’ll hop on the change bandwagon.

 

[Chopper0080]

Keim’s success was primarily from 2 sources. He should get credit for starting the trend of getting players whose careers seemed in decline to take one year “prove it” deals. Those contracts paid off and are now common among many teams. He also got lucky. There’s an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. I’ve added what I call Greene’s corollary, which is knowing what to do when you find yourself there. For the latter, Keim gets credit. Arians is coach of the year, but is a free agent. Palmer is available for trade. Keim makes both moves and is rewarded with a great, though short 3 year run of success. That ends in 2015. The next 7 years of his tenure produced 1 winning record. This win prompts Keim in what proved to be his final year to sign Murray to a then gigantic extension, which IMO has handicapped the Cards and now Ossenfort since. Keim was the one who said he wanted Mahomes, but instead of trading up enough, settled for Rosen. It’s worth noting that if Keim was such a good GM, why has no other team signed him even as an advisor. He gets some credit, but I’m willing to see what Ossenfort can do with a level playing field. Until he gets a real shot at a QB, I counsel patience. It’s a tough job to master. I’ve seen him learn from mistakes, which is a good sign. I like the coaching change. If after the 2027 draft we don’t have serious improvement I’ll hop on the change bandwagon.

No one is saying Keim was good, just that he was better than Monti. And he is. Even with the terrible Murray contract Keim was winning more games than Monti has.

 

[602 Native]

No one is saying Keim was good, just that he was better than Monti. And he is. Even with the terrible Murray contract Keim was winning more games than Monti has.

This is not debatable on any level.

MO has done nothing well on any level from a production stand point.

Some might say drafting but again what has that gotten us?

 

[kerouac9]

Keim’s success was primarily from 2 sources. He should get credit for starting the trend of getting players whose careers seemed in decline to take one year “prove it” deals. Those contracts paid off and are now common among many teams. He also got lucky. There’s an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. I’ve added what I call Greene’s corollary, which is knowing what to do when you find yourself there. For the latter, Keim gets credit. Arians is coach of the year, but is a free agent. Palmer is available for trade. Keim makes both moves and is rewarded with a great, though short 3 year run of success. That ends in 2015. The next 7 years of his tenure produced 1 winning record. This win prompts Keim in what proved to be his final year to sign Murray to a then gigantic extension, which IMO has handicapped the Cards and now Ossenfort since. Keim was the one who said he wanted Mahomes, but instead of trading up enough, settled for Rosen. It’s worth noting that if Keim was such a good GM, why has no other team signed him even as an advisor. He gets some credit, but I’m willing to see what Ossenfort can do with a level playing field. Until he gets a real shot at a QB, I counsel patience. It’s a tough job to master. I’ve seen him learn from mistakes, which is a good sign. I like the coaching change. If after the 2027 draft we don’t have serious improvement I’ll hop on the change bandwagon.

So you’re going to roll with Monti until he finds a top QB? He drafted Tune (whom you really liked until you didn’t), he signed Brissett, he drafted Beck.

Is there a double-digit-loss season exception to your patience? Does drafting Jordan Burke really buy this much time for you?

 

[kerouac9]

Some might say drafting but again what has that gotten us?

Drafting who? Max Melton is battling for a starting job in his third year!

 

[602 Native]

Drafting who? Max Melton is battling for a starting job in his third year!

Im not part of the "some" but I hear you.

Tip Reiman is a great blocking TE though and game changer in "some" fans eyes.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Im not part of the "some" but I hear you.

Tip Reiman is a great blocking TE though and game changer in "some" fans eyes.

making stuff up won't bring kyler back either - he's really gone bro

 

[602 Native]

making stuff up won't bring kyler back either - he's really gone bro

There is a whole appreciation thread for Reiman and how important he was to this team.

It is comedy gold you should probably check it out sometime.

 

[Stout]

Keim’s success was primarily from 2 sources. He should get credit for starting the trend of getting players whose careers seemed in decline to take one year “prove it” deals. Those contracts paid off and are now common among many teams. He also got lucky. There’s an old saying about being in the right place at the right time. I’ve added what I call Greene’s corollary, which is knowing what to do when you find yourself there. For the latter, Keim gets credit. Arians is coach of the year, but is a free agent. Palmer is available for trade. Keim makes both moves and is rewarded with a great, though short 3 year run of success. That ends in 2015. The next 7 years of his tenure produced 1 winning record. This win prompts Keim in what proved to be his final year to sign Murray to a then gigantic extension, which IMO has handicapped the Cards and now Ossenfort since. Keim was the one who said he wanted Mahomes, but instead of trading up enough, settled for Rosen. It’s worth noting that if Keim was such a good GM, why has no other team signed him even as an advisor. He gets some credit, but I’m willing to see what Ossenfort can do with a level playing field. Until he gets a real shot at a QB, I counsel patience. It’s a tough job to master. I’ve seen him learn from mistakes, which is a good sign. I like the coaching change. If after the 2027 draft we don’t have serious improvement I’ll hop on the change bandwagon.

Total and complete disagreement from me. I'm not willing to say, "Oh, poor Monti didn't have a level playing field so we have to ignore his 3 seasons of utter ineptitude." No dice. He inherited a bad QB/QB contract and a sub-par roster. He made the conscious decision to make the roster significantly worse. That's on Monti. From there, he's had 3 years to find a QB (4 offseasons) but decided to wait until he offloaded Kyler, although he did so with zero succession plan in mind. Say what you want about Simpson (I never wanted him), but the Rams are getting their QBOF in place before they lose their current QB.

What has Monti done to earn the benefit of any doubt? Where are the all pros he's drafted? Hell, how many pro bowlers has he drafted? How many mistakes of his own creation has he tried and then failed to fix in FA? How much cap space is he going to sit on every year while wasting cap space in cutting the players he himself has signed?

@Harry, maybe in year 8 or 9, can we finally be allowed to criticize Monti? We had the KM hangers on; you're acting like a KM hanger on but with Monit. I don't get it, man. I just don't.

 

[Stout]

making stuff up won't bring kyler back either - he's really gone bro

Uncalled for here. Why would you bring this topic up now?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Uncalled for here. Why would you bring this topic up now?

because i never said tip was a game changer

 

[Harry]

So you’re going to roll with Monti until he finds a top QB? He drafted Tune (whom you really liked until you didn’t), he signed Brissett, he drafted Beck.

Is there a double-digit-loss season exception to your patience? Does drafting Jordan Burke really buy this much time for you?

I wouldn’t say I really liked Tune but I did think he had a chance to play in the league. He had a big arm, good escapability and decently athletic skills. He lacked poise, as it turned out; a fatal flaw. That’s the same concern I have about Beck. As to Burch, I think he will develop into a productive player, but it’s not a sure thing. He’s another player with raw ability that could be honed into an asset. I rarely give up on draftees this soon.

 

[Harry]

There is a whole appreciation thread for Reiman and how important he was to this team.

It is comedy gold you should probably check it out sometime.

This year could tell us a lot about his impact.

 

[602 Native]

Total and complete disagreement from me. I'm not willing to say, "Oh, poor Monti didn't have a level playing field so we have to ignore his 3 seasons of utter ineptitude." No dice. He inherited a bad QB/QB contract and a sub-par roster. He made the conscious decision to make the roster significantly worse. That's on Monti. From there, he's had 3 years to find a QB (4 offseasons) but decided to wait until he offloaded Kyler, although he did so with zero succession plan in mind. Say what you want about Simpson (I never wanted him), but the Rams are getting their QBOF in place before they lose their current QB.

What has Monti done to earn the benefit of any doubt? Where are the all pros he's drafted? Hell, how many pro bowlers has he drafted? How many mistakes of his own creation has he tried and then failed to fix in FA? How much cap space is he going to sit on every year while wasting cap space in cutting the players he himself has signed?

@Harry, maybe in year 8 or 9, can we finally be allowed to criticize Monti? We had the KM hangers on; you're acting like a KM hanger on but with Monit. I don't get it, man. I just don't.

It is so frustrating.

How many years does MO get before he is accountable for the condition of this trainwreck?
Is it 5, 6, 7 years?
Seriously how long does he get to make the team a winner or even be competitive? He's hired 2 fricken coaches, kept the DC, jettisoned the QB, and kept the scouts that have continuously failed.

My patience has run out and making excuses is not something Im gonna do.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

kept the DC and kept the scouts that have continuously failed.

These are completely bizarre no matter how you look at it

 

[ASUCHRIS]

7 top 90 picks, in a draft that was supposed to transform the franchise. Remember all the "build through the draft" rhetoric? The end result, total failure:

• Round 1, Pick 4: Marvin Harrison Jr. (WR, Ohio State)
• Round 1, Pick 27: Darius Robinson (DE, Missouri)
• Round 2, Pick 43: Max Melton (CB, Rutgers)
• Round 3, Pick 66: Trey Benson (RB, Florida State)
• Round 3, Pick 71: Isaiah Adams (OT, Illinois)
• Round 3, Pick 82: Tip Reiman (TE, Illinois)
• Round 3, Pick 90: Elijah Jones (CB, Boston College)

 

[Mr X]

Monty is so damn risk adverse. He finally sticks and picks in top round and it's for a RB?

 

[602 Native]

7 top 90 picks, in a draft that was supposed to transform the franchise. Remember all the "build through the draft" rhetoric? The end result, total failure:

• Round 1, Pick 4: Marvin Harrison Jr. (WR, Ohio State)
• Round 1, Pick 27: Darius Robinson (DE, Missouri)
• Round 2, Pick 43: Max Melton (CB, Rutgers)
• Round 3, Pick 66: Trey Benson (RB, Florida State)
• Round 3, Pick 71: Isaiah Adams (OT, Illinois)
• Round 3, Pick 82: Tip Reiman (TE, Illinois)
• Round 3, Pick 90: Elijah Jones (CB, Boston College)

Don't know if I can take anymore lists like this.

Depressing

 

[Chopper0080]

Keim’s QBs Palmer, Stanton, Bradford, Rosen, Kyler. Monti’s QBs Kyler, Dobbs, Brissett, Beck.

Keim might have swung and missed a few times but at least he swung.

Keim got better QB play.
Keim drafted better top end players.
Keim made trades. Some good and bad.
Keim was able to convince Bidwill to spend on FAs.

It isn’t close at this point and the best player Monti has on his roster is still a Keim draft pick. Budda is the only other player to make a pro bowl and he is also a Keim pick.

 

[kerouac9]

Monty is so damn risk adverse. He finally sticks and picks in top round and it's for a RB?

This isn’t fair. He’s gone into drafts with a total of five first round picks and he’s exercised four of them without trading down.

Obviously he did everything in his power to find a trade partner this season and couldn’t find a deal that would convince Michael to not take the Golden Domer.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Don't know if I can take anymore lists like this.

Depressing

As it's been said several times before here, if you're going to put all your eggs in the drafting and developing route, YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT DRAFTING AND DEVELOPING! Monti has been terrible at both, and his FA/trades have been bad to non-existent.

How he still has a job is a complete mystery, outside of working for an organization that doesn't care about winning.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Adrian Wilson for GM!!!

 

[Mr X]

It was incredibly bad luck the Texans draft pick.

But for a guy who wanted to build the trenches, without a trade back his top draft picks are a WR/RB.

Maybe if BJ does something this year passing on will and getting a starting LT isn't so bad. That's the problem still. So many if's that have yet to really produce anything due to coaching, injuries or bad picks.