Our coach is not the priority IMO

[cardsfanmd]

We have trended towards this for years but finally hit the pinnacle this past season with the most injury-riddled team in the league, by far. There are plenty of factors as to why this could be, with the Arizona climate leading them. JG and Monti knew this was a primary concern when they came. They both spoke, at length, about actions taken to revamp the training staff and system. Whatever measures were taken were clearly not sufficient. Either way, the greatest coaching staff in history could not be successful without changing this dramatically.

I want to know what Mike and Monti are doing to address our biggest issue. I’ve followed this team for almost 40 years and have never been so discouraged by the state of the team moving forward.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

We have trended towards this for years but finally hit the pinnacle this past season with the most injury-riddled team in the league, by far. There are plenty of factors as to why this could be, with the Arizona climate leading them. JG and Monti knew this was a primary concern when they came. They both spoke, at length, about actions taken to revamp the training staff and system. Whatever measures were taken were clearly not sufficient. Either way, the greatest coaching staff in history could not be successful without changing this dramatically.

I want to know what Mike and Monti are doing to address our biggest issue. I’ve followed this team for almost 40 years and have never been so discouraged by the state of the team moving forward.

Agree with you. I bolded the Cards biggest problem. The same as it's been for 40+ years.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Agree with you. I bolded the Cards biggest problem. The same as it's been for 40+ years.

I stand corrected.

 

[Harry]

May not be the biggest problem, but considering the money involved it may be the most critical decision.

 

[football karma]

when the Cards have had runs of success -- a key factor in that was a coach with enough juice to influence FO decisions

I got the impression that Gannon just watched the player selection process

 

[football karma]

a study in two different owners who have had broadly similar results: Atlanta and Arizona

BTW: ATL and PHX are kinda odd boom town twins -- SE and SW. Both are dominated by recent transplants that make the sports scene there difficult. Both have football teams that have had brief periods of success, but a quick reversion to struggle.

so:

One owner decided to change results, he needed to change how things are done. Arthur Blank decided he needed to do something different. He hired Matt Ryan to run football for him.

Mike B on the other hand, kept the same process that produced the worst result in franchise history and assumes that things will get better as a result.

 

[slanidrac16]

I think the most important thing is the staff our new head coach brings in.

I believe someone pointed out in another thread about our coaching staffs NFL playing experience. I believe it was 0.

I also think our staff was soft. I won’t go as far as calling it Camp Cupcake but I think players felt comfortable. Remember Arians kick them in the ass now and hug them later? It never appeared players got a kick in the ass ( except Demercado

We watch this year as we were outcoached and out schemed week after week. Adjustments were abysmal. Something an experienced staff will vastly improve.

 

[Totally_Red]

I think the most important thing is the staff our new head coach brings in.

I believe someone pointed out in another thread about our coaching staffs NFL playing experience. I believe it was 0.

I also think our staff was soft. I won’t go as far as calling it Camp Cupcake but I think players felt comfortable. Remember Arians kick them in the ass now and hug them later? It never appeared players got a kick in the ass ( except Demercado

We watch this year as we were outcoached and out schemed week after week. Adjustments were abysmal. Something an experienced staff will vastly improve.

Bingo! Ideally you have quality experienced coaches. and some "good cop, bad cop" where one guy is demanding and another is the one you can cry on his shoulder types. Kliff didn't seem to have any hard a$$ coaches on his staff.

 

[Cardinal88]

Agree with the quality coaches theme. If Bidwill stands by his words and wanting to win, he needs to get a coaching staff that supports this. Including a few extra coaches where there is a need - i.e., dedicated QB coach, special teams coach, and "please" a quality strength and conditioning team. Maybe a great yoga team to help with core strength and stretching to limit injuries. I hope we never have to go through another injury laden season like 2025.

Spend the money Bidwill!

 

[CFLredzoned]

I think the most important thing is the staff our new head coach brings in.

I believe someone pointed out in another thread about our coaching staffs NFL playing experience. I believe it was 0.

I also think our staff was soft. I won’t go as far as calling it Camp Cupcake but I think players felt comfortable. Remember Arians kick them in the ass now and hug them later? It never appeared players got a kick in the ass ( except Demercado

We watch this year as we were outcoached and out schemed week after week. Adjustments were abysmal. Something an experienced staff will vastly improve.

I'm starting to think that way too. It's like with the players. The most important position is the QB. But you won't win with a great QB and a terrible supporting cast. And you won't win with a great supporting cast and a terrible QB.

I think years in the NFL is hugely important - whether as a HC or coordinator. Really, how many connections do you have and can you get a great staff to buy in?

I heard Clancy on Locked on Cardinals bagging on Harbaugh because he always had great coordinators around him. Isn't that what you want? Someone that surrounds himself with great coaches?

 

[krazy2k]

The Cards could get Harbaugh (they won't) and perhaps they improve to 5-12 next year in a division where the other teams will all be well above .500. That's even if he brings in solid, NFL experienced staff. The larger problem is poor draft picks over several years that simply don't pan out. Does anyone really think KM would be better under a Harbaugh? He will still be afraid of getting hit, not study enough game film, and collapse in the 2nd half of the season - either through injury or poor performance. And that's just one of the many "positions" in need of an upgrade.

 

[vince56]

Agree with you. I bolded the Cards biggest problem. The same as it's been for 40+ years.

Since 1933.

 

[Bobster]

Consensus - This team has a lot of problems.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The Cards could get Harbaugh (they won't) and perhaps they improve to 5-12 next year in a division where the other teams will all be well above .500. That's even if he brings in solid, NFL experienced staff. The larger problem is poor draft picks over several years that simply don't pan out. Does anyone really think KM would be better under a Harbaugh? He will still be afraid of getting hit, not study enough game film, and collapse in the 2nd half of the season - either through injury or poor performance. And that's just one of the many "positions" in need of an upgrade.

I disagree.

 

[kerouac9]

There are plenty of factors as to why this could be, with the Arizona climate leading them. JG and Monti knew this was a primary concern when they came.

I think you’ve floated this particularly deranged take before. Unless by “climate” you mean “culture,” you’re gonna have to flesh out this thesis some.

I think the way the organization handled injured players might’ve contributed to the state of the roster at the end of the season. This shouldn’t be happening with a relatively young team.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I think you’ve floated this particularly deranged take before. Unless by “climate” you mean “culture,” you’re gonna have to flesh out this thesis some.

I think the way the organization handled injured players might’ve contributed to the state of the roster at the end of the season. This shouldn’t be happening with a relatively young team.

I grasp that both common sense and common decency are foreign to you.

 

[slanidrac16]

About the IR. There were plenty of players put on IR toward the end of the season to basically start training camp.
I’m convinced if we were in the hunt a lot of these guys would not have been put on IR.

 

[kerouac9]

I grasp that both common sense and common decency are foreign to you.

Good post

 

[Krangodnzr]

a study in two different owners who have had broadly similar results: Atlanta and Arizona

BTW: ATL and PHX are kinda odd boom town twins -- SE and SW. Both are dominated by recent transplants that make the sports scene there difficult. Both have football teams that have had brief periods of success, but a quick reversion to struggle.

so:

One owner decided to change results, he needed to change how things are done. Arthur Blank decided he needed to do something different. He hired Matt Ryan to run football for him.

Mike B on the other hand, kept the same process that produced the worst result in franchise history and assumes that things will get better as a result.

Man, everywhere I've lived says the same thing.

Charlotte is the same way.

Seattle? The same way. When is Phoenix going to stop making this same damn excuse? There are enough people who have lived in the city for a long time that they can draw a good fan base.

Teams with a solid fan base have had years of sustained success. Build towards that and the fans will come.

 

[Mickdog]

I grasp that both common sense and common decency are foreign to you.

Not to get political, but common sense and common decency crossed the border illegally and had to be deported.

Just sayin’