GM Poll - Monti or Keim?

[vince56]

Keim went .500 and made some hilariously one sided trades to get us Palmer and the playoffs.

Ossenfort sits at a 31% win percentage

This is the answer. Keim got us to 3 playoff appearances in 8 years. He had us in position in 2016 and 2017 as well, injuries and some poor special teams play hindered those teams. We had star power almost every year. He also drafted our only current stars, Budda and Trey.

 

[Dayman]

Early Keim ran circles around Monti. The gap only closes when you add in the years when Keim was a massive alcoholic. But relatively sober Keim >>> Monti.

 

[kerouac9]

Monti has had 14 first- and second-day draft selections in three seasons. He’s drafted two offensive linemen.

One is a legitimate starter.

We just can’t let him continue.

He’s used four of 14 picks on defensive backs.

 

[Stout]

Knowing everything that we know now, and how many people want Monti to go, I wonder how many people would rather have Keim instead of Monti... and why?

Why must you inflect such existential pain upon us? Are you secretly Pinhead from Hellraiser? 'Cause I ain't opened no hell cube, my man.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Why must you inflect such existential pain upon us? Are you secretly Pinhead from Hellraiser? 'Cause I ain't opened no hell cube, my man.

Misery loves company...

 

[Stout]

fudge, Marry, Kill: Graves, Keim, Ossenfort.

I'd say fudge Keim, marry Graves, kill Ossenfort. At least Keim knows how to have a good time and Graves, though slow and plodding, is a steady kinda guy

 

[TRW]

I can't answer because it's choosing between a crap sandwich and a crap sandwich with salt. Both of them stink.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Graves, Ossenfort, Keim.

Keim could have literally killed people with his DUIs. So in this scenario, he's easily the one to die IMO.

 

[BigRedMO]

Murray is all you need to know. Resigning Murray may eventually mean franchise relocation again and or sale of franchise. One of worst decisions made in Sports history. It is like the idea of saying Vietnam is a good place for US troops.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Murray is all you need to know. Resigning Murray may eventually mean franchise relocation again and or sale of franchise. One of worst decisions made in Sports history. It is like the idea of saying Vietnam is a good place for US troops.

This type of sensationalism doesn't ring true at all. I could probably give you 100 different sports decisions in history that are worse than re-signing Kyler. I bet I could find you at least 10 from this team alone...

 

[Goodyear Card]

If you scroll down, you can see previous drafts. Who do you think had better draft picks?

2026 Cardinals Draft Page

www.drafttek.com

 

[QuebecCard]

Move over, baby Jesus—a new miracle at Christmas.

The board that hated Keim is now pining for him.

 

[TheCardFan]

Move over, baby Jesus—a new miracle at Christmas.

The board that hated Keim is now pining for him.

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[TheCardFan]

Move over, baby Jesus—a new miracle at Christmas.

The board that hated Keim is now pining for him.

We did the same thing with BA - got tired of his loyalty to a fault/stubbornness but I know we all miss his success.

In fact, lets trade for BA.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We did the same thing with BA - got tired of his loyalty to a fault/stubbornness but I know we all miss his success.

In fact, lets trade for BA.

... and pay compensation for him, even though we let him go for free without any compensation. It would be the Cards way for sure.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The board that hated Keim is now pining for him.

Says a lot about our current GM.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

but why? That's as silly as not counting Kendall/Gonti's first year.

Based on exactly...what?

Keim in his years after BA was just as bad at drafting, maybe worse. I do miss his FA trades/acquisitions, and even his stupid hyperbole at the drafts, but every other measurable seems to be a wash or worse than Monti.

Why do I throw out the BA years? Because we wouldn't have BA now and Keim without a strong head coach is mediocre, at best. The results of what he put together on the offensive side with Wilks is proof of his bad choices. The lack of a sustainable roster after having Kliff coaching for 4 years is another example of his bad abilities. If he wasn't good at FA acquisitions to duct tape a team together every year, I wouldn't really be able to point to anything positive of his abilities in his last 5 years.

Again, I do not like Monti's passivity in the trade market. I also do not know if it is influenced by this coaching staff claiming that Cody Simon is a good replacement for Mack Wilson.

I only look at rounds 1-5 in the draft, since 6-7 is a wash or for special teams, and I know that Monti drafted 5 corners, only 1 is a total bust so far. Keim only draft 2 in 5 years - 1 success.
Monti drafted 2 WR - Wilson is turning out to be good, Harrison undecided - Keim drafted 4, Kirk ended up pretty good, the others not so much (again, rds 1-5)
So Monti in 3 years has more sustainability in those positions than Keim in 5 years (IMO).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/lineups.htm (starting lineups)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/draft.htm (draft history)

I wasn't too impressed with Monti as the GM pick, I don't care if they fire him - but if I had to choose for the GM *right now*, it would still be Monti over Keim.

 

[Proteus]

Keim's fingerprints are nearly completely gone from this team - in a very short amount of time. This article is from just last year.

Arizona Cardinals roster issues can be traced back to Steve Keim, Kliff Kingsbury drafts

The Cardinals have just six players remaining from their 2019-2022 drafts.

sports.yahoo.com

Update to this year, only 4 Keim draft picks are still on our roster (and at least one is not for long):

Kyler Murray, Trey McBride, Zaven Collins, and Jalen Thompson.

Thompson might be gone too as he's a free agent after this season and we have DTD waiting in the wings.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Thompson might be gone too as he's a free agent after this season and we have DTD waiting in the wings.

jt is so gone

 

[Proteus]

Keim + BA was better than Monti. But Monti's probably a bit better than Keim without BA.

Overall, I think Keim was better due to the BA period but currently I'd go with Monti.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Would Monti + BA produce the same or better results than Keim + BA? I could see an argument.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Would Monti + BA produce the same or better results than Keim + BA? I could see an argument.

i think ba got to make some of the draft picks and that he let keim know exactly what/who was needed via trade

 

[Mickdog]

You have to look beyond the GM and to whom the GM reports to.

AZ is where talented football executives go to die and where Yes Men extend their careers for the sake of a paycheck.

 

[DVontel]

Murray is all you need to know. Resigning Murray may eventually mean franchise relocation again and or sale of franchise. One of worst decisions made in Sports history. It is like the idea of saying Vietnam is a good place for US troops.

Whose burner is this?

 

[Dayman]

Murray is all you need to know. Resigning Murray may eventually mean franchise relocation again and or sale of franchise. One of worst decisions made in Sports history. It is like the idea of saying Vietnam is a good place for US troops.

Kyler isn't even the worst current QB contract, much less the worst decisions in sports history. Tua is making $53 million/per. Dashaun Watson is making $46 million. Cousins is making $45 million as a backup.

I doubt anyone on the board will miss Kyler the QB, but many will definitely miss Kyler the scapegoat.