Game 1 - Saints - All 22 thread

[Proximo]

This one was the one right here. Sat not too far from where Marv broke open. Could have chucked my $20 beer.

This is just awful, if he stays in the pocket it's an easy 20 yard gain to Marv

 

[Proximo]

Whole team very sloppy in run blocking so far. I assume it's not going to get better. TE's especially so, but O line not blameless either. Effort is there, but just bad positions, wrong angles etc

I think that is a bad assumption. They started off bad last year to. It's the same personnel for the most part as last year, but they performed much worse then their normal games last season.

I absolutely expect improvement.

 

[BritCard]

I think that is a bad assumption. They started off bad last year to. It's the same personnel for the most part as last year, but they performed much worse then their normal games last season.

I absolutely expect improvement.

Yeah, I'm not saying they suck. I'm saying they were very rusty. I absolutely expect better.

 

[BritCard]

Next play. We need better emojis because there are no great options for how I feel about this.

Let's try

Waiting for someone to tell me Marv ran the wrong angle on his slant.

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[BritCard]

The TD a few plays later. All 22 doesn't show anything the live coverage didn't show, but Kyler sells the pass well.

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[BritCard]

Petzings screen game sucks balls. Not seen a good one yet.

 

[BritCard]

Bensons big run. He did well to break past the safety, shame he was caught by a DE.

Watch Mike Wilsons block.

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[DVontel]

Petzings screen game sucks balls. Not seen a good one yet.

I like his TE screens.

His RB & WR screens are awful though.

 

[BritCard]

Next play.

There's a lot I don't like about this with the quality of throw being the main one. Even if Mike doesn't have the CB painted on the throw is out of bounds. I don't think anyone is catching that.

But I also don't like he's predetermined this throw pre snap. He's thought "Best odds here is Mike Wilson running a go from the slot against Kool-Aid", which seems low odds to me.

There is zero timing in this offense. There's zero reads. There's no progressions and the routes don't seem to be designed to do so. 75% of the time Kyler is predetermining where the pass is going, which is usually 4-5 yards away. On the remaining 25% the WR has to be clearly uncovered or have clear separation. There's no throwing guys open, no back shoulder throws, no comebacks, no timing routes of any kind. It's all crossers, digs and go's. It's all "See guy stood open, if not run it".

It's very much like Kliff's passing game but with better running. That has to be Kyler surely?

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[oaken1]

I don't like this from Petzing or the offense don't execute it well. There must have been a penalty as they are 20 yards to 1st down.

Connor telegraphs the screen right away letting the safety bite on him. The whole things is executed too quickly so Adams is nowhere. There's are more blocking linemen in space on the other side of the play than on Conners side. The whole thing is a crap show from start to finish. Call, design, execution. Bin this play.

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looks like the RB went the wrong way...all the linemen on the left side rreleased their blocks at the same time to screen.

 

[BritCard]

looks like the RB went the wrong way...all the linemen on the left side rreleased their blocks at the same time to screen.

He's lined up on that side though in line with the QB.

 

[daves]

Saints looked much better than I expected. Not sure how many games they will win, but the team played hard

I didn't realize until I heard it on the game broadcast (I think?) that Kellen Moore is the son of former Cards assistant HC Tom Moore.

EDIT: Oops, nope - his father was a different Tom Moore who was a long-time head coach of a successful high school program (Prosser).

 

[Shane]

Petzings screen game sucks balls. Not seen a good one yet.

It’s weird with that conclusion honestly because over the last three years, that’s one of the areas that has actually improved greatly from previous regimes we’ve been relatively successful at screens since he’s been running the show

 

[kerouac9]

I didn't realize until I heard it on the game broadcast (I think?) that Kellen Moore is the son of former Cards assistant HC Tom Moore.

I don’t believe this is the case.

 

[BritCard]

It’s weird with that conclusion honestly because over the last three years, that’s one of the areas that has actually improved greatly from previous regimes we’ve been relatively successful at screens since he’s been running the show

Might just be rust in this game. Screens require good timing and everyone doing their job. Game was sloppy on that front.

 

[Chopper0080]

Very next play. There are a lot of plays like this in this offense.

Ball is snapped. Kyler stares down his 1st read and throws a quick pass for 4 yards. Not all of them are bad throws like this, obviously.

There was a lot of this with Kliff too, so do we think this is a Kyler thing?

He's under no sign of pressure. No need to rush the ball out. I want my QB's when clean to let the routes over 5 yards develop, not automatically take the 4 yard checkdown.

Pretty sure this pass was sloppy because of poor mechanics. At let those that know more than me like @Chopper0080 comment on that, but doesn't look right to me. Throwing off his front foot, his feet are level at release, body position looks poor. Doesn't look like 10,000 throws I've seen before.

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The throw is awkward because he is trying to adjust his arm angle so the pass doesn't get batted down by the defender (IMO).

The bigger issue is that he is staring down McBride which the defensive lineman picks up on.

 

[Chopper0080]

Next play.

I don't know what happening here at all. It looks like a designed run for Kyler off PA but the whole O line blocks as if it should be handed off to Conner. The right tackle and right guard pull, the center and LG take position to block the pursuing DT and DE from their side. Nobody is in any position to block for Kyler, there's no lead blocker and all of the O line are on the wrong side to stop pursuit. Even Trey, who is on Kylers side of the run, is loafing as if the ball was meant to go away from him.

I have no idea what happened here. Lucky Kyler didn't get hurt.

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A read option counter. I don't know why he kept it as he had numbers on the play side. Kyler may have just predetermined he was going to keep it. I think he does that at times with plays.

 

[Chopper0080]

Next play. Getting near half time and this is the 1st passing play that looks like a typical NFL offense.

Clean pocket. Kyler takes his time. Sees that Marv will come open in the middle with them playing zone, waits patiently and hits him with a bit of anticipation on the dig.

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This is really nice. LB eats the cheese jumping to McBRide which clears the lane for the throw to MHJ on the dig. There is a bit of a timing issue as Kyler double clutches because he moves to MHJ a little early. (I am not putting blame on Kyler, I just couldn't figure out why he doubled clutched)

 

[Chopper0080]

Next play.

There's a lot I don't like about this with the quality of throw being the main one. Even if Mike doesn't have the CB painted on the throw is out of bounds. I don't think anyone is catching that.

But I also don't like he's predetermined this throw pre snap. He's thought "Best odds here is Mike Wilson running a go from the slot against Kool-Aid", which seems low odds to me.

There is zero timing in this offense. There's zero reads. There's no progressions and the routes don't seem to be designed to do so. 75% of the time Kyler is predetermining where the pass is going, which is usually 4-5 yards away. On the remaining 25% the WR has to be clearly uncovered or have clear separation. There's no throwing guys open, no back shoulder throws, no comebacks, no timing routes of any kind. It's all crossers, digs and go's. It's all "See guy stood open, if not run it".

It's very much like Kliff's passing game but with better running. That has to be Kyler surely?

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I agree that Kyler appears to pre-determine where he is going to go with the ball based on pre-snap a lot. This play does appear like he got a one on one matchup he wanted pre snap and then just threw it regardless of whether or not Wilson had leverage.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Bensons big run. He did well to break past the safety, shame he was caught by a DE.

Watch Mike Wilsons block.

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#96 came from the opposite side of the play. That Big Guy has some wheels!

 

[daves]

I don’t believe this is the case.

Oops, corrected my post. Kellen's father is a different Tom Moore who was also a football coach.

 

[PACardsFan]

Oops, corrected my post. Kellen's father is a different Tom Moore who was also a football coach.

More likely Tom Moore was his grandfather lol.

 

[oaken1]

He's lined up on that side though in line with the QB.

If The Petzing intended to cause confusion with that play design he succeeded in spades. He confused everybody except new Orleans defense.

 

[cardpa]

Nothing of interest between the Mav through and this one, just some mediocre runs.

I didn't like this play when watching live and watching it again doesn't change my opinion. I have questions.

1. Is it an option play or PA? At first I thought option, but if you watch what the O line does it look like it might be PA with a Kyler run and the O line messed up. (watch right side of the OL)

2, If it's option. What is Kyler looking at to make his decision? He's looking to the hand off side but I can't see a trigger that would make him keep it. I would think the trigger would be what the DE on his side does and if he bites on the PA?

3. I don't like this play if it's PA just because it should be an option. Cards have the numbers to the left. If they hand it off they probably score. There are 3 TE's and 2 pulling (TE and tackle). The option freezes the left DE. High chance the RB scores.

4. I think Kyler is supposed to run up the middle (you will see him hesitate then break outside). One of the DT's bites on the RB and I think the OL are supposed to make a window for Kyler to run through. Considering the 3 DB's on the line I'm not sure where he would have gone. But it's messed up and he has to bounce outside.

Whole thing looks a mess. Not sure where it comes from but not Kyler on this (unless it is option and he chose the wrong one). He does well to get something from nothing. Whole play would have been simpler and more successful had it just been handed off.

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Watch McBride. It appears that he is looking to receive a shovel pass and Murray doesn't toss it.

 

[BACH]

Petzings screen game sucks balls. Not seen a good one yet.

This is just not correct. Cards were #1 in yards per screen last year. The Athlectic had an entire podcast on why the Broncos and Cardinals have better screen games