Game 1 - Saints - All 22 thread

[oaken1]

Rookie

 

[oaken1]

As much as people don't want to hear it, I think this thread is a proper balance to the opposite end of the spectrum. Lots of get rid of Petzing threads and while I am not a fan if his style, this balances those out.

Seems redundant to make a "Trade Kyler AND fire The Petzing " thread

 

[PACardsFan]

The "Why did Petzing call run on 3rd and 20+" play that followed the sack. Well likely he didn't.

You can see here Kyler audibles and changes the play.

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JG in one of his interviews has already indicated he was the one who called the run.

 

[Goldfield]

I like the break downs it’s good to see everything

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So, are you blaming Tip or McBride for that first play because the wording is confusing.

It was tip. He was slow off the ball which meant he got in Mcbride’s way. Either way it was kind of a lame play design imo. Requires too much with the double tightend to coordinate with too much precision. As we saw, it being slightly off was a disaster.

 

[oaken1]

It was tip. He was slow off the ball which meant he got in Mcbride’s way. Either way it was kind of a lame play design imo. Requires too much with the double tightend to coordinate with too much precision. As we saw, it being slightly off was a disaster.

Need to work on that choreography

 

[BritCard]

As much as people don't want to hear it, I think this thread is a proper balance to the opposite end of the spectrum. Lots of get rid of Petzing threads and while I am not a fan if his style, this balances those out.

Also the accusations that the O line was bad. I'm not half way through the game yet but the O line has been solid so far. Lots of nice pockets and time, and what pressure there has been hasn't come from O line play outside one Adams whiff.

 

[BritCard]

to refresh a shout out: Theo Mackie does an awesome job covering the Cards.

He followed up with Petzing on the missed shot from the Cards own endzone (btw: that Kurt Warner also had jumped into) --

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Wait, if Marv ran the correct route but it was impossible for Kyler to throw the ball to him, why did he throw it?

Anyway, should get to that play today at some point.

 

[BritCard]

Mike is open. Marv is open. Zay is open down field. Kyler has all day and runs it.

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lol I think someone reported the original video to get it taken down. I had to upload it again.

 

[BigDavis75]

Also the accusations that the O line was bad. I'm not half way through the game yet but the O line has been solid so far. Lots of nice pockets and time, and what pressure there has been hasn't come from O line play outside one Adams whiff.

I thought they played well enough, a number of the sacks were from outside pressure beyond the tackles or Kyler not seeing something pre snap/taking a “sack” where he could have thrown the ball away near LOS. I wish we ran up the middle a bit more, the runs to the right looked pretty good but Conner hasn’t been a back who is good at running east/west and he got in that position a few times this game.

 

[cardpa]

I don’t even know if this is a designed bootleg; the OL gives Kyler a nice pocket and he just abandons it.

Have to totally agree with you. Murray looked like he made up his mind to run despite the play called. After the fake handoff, all he had to do was setup in a extremely clean pocket and let the play develop. Instead he turns his back to the field and rolls out.

 

[cardpa]

lol I think someone reported the original video to get it taken down. I had to upload it again.

This play is just another example of Murray not being able to make the anticipated throw. All Murray had to do was place the ball into the space where Harrison was running into. Murray still needs to see his receiver open or he won't throw it. Murray still can't throw a receiver open.

 

[BritCard]

Some defense from elsewhere

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[BritCard]

Nothing of interest between the Marv throw and this one, just some mediocre runs.

I didn't like this play when watching live and watching it again doesn't change my opinion. I have questions.

1. Is it an option play or PA? At first I thought option, but if you watch what the O line does it look like it might be PA with a Kyler run and the O line messed up. (watch right side of the OL)

2, If it's option. What is Kyler looking at to make his decision? He's looking to the hand off side but I can't see a trigger that would make him keep it. I would think the trigger would be what the DE on his side does and if he bites on the PA?

3. I don't like this play if it's PA just because it should be an option. Cards have the numbers to the left. If they hand it off they probably score. There are 3 TE's and 2 pulling (TE and tackle). The option freezes the left DE. High chance the RB scores.

4. I think Kyler is supposed to run up the middle (you will see him hesitate then break outside). One of the DT's bites on the RB and I think the OL are supposed to make a window for Kyler to run through. Considering the 3 DB's on the line I'm not sure where he would have gone. But it's messed up and he has to bounce outside.

Whole thing looks a mess. Not sure where it comes from but not Kyler on this (unless it is option and he chose the wrong one). He does well to get something from nothing. Whole play would have been simpler and more successful had it just been handed off.

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[BritCard]

Not sure what Fro and Trey are doing here but they should keep it in the bedroom.

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[BritCard]

Next play. A lot of the issues with pressure came from the TE's.

Now, this could be a QB issue or not, I don't know, but it's an unusual front that is going to require the QB to set protections as it's essentially a 6 man front. The O line blocks to the right, with the 5 linemen taking on the 5 DL to the right side.

It could be that the RB has responsibility for that DE and he gets a little on him, but I'd be surprised if he's supposed to be blocking him and not just picking up strays. We 3 TE's inline I don't understand why one doesn't chip him, if not one was assigned.

On the plus side, Kyler didn't run out behind the LOS.

Open to other interpretations.

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[Chopper0080]

Next play. A lot of the issues with pressure came from the TE's.

Now, this could be a QB issue or not, I don't know, but it's an unusual front that is going to require the QB to set protections as it's essentially a 6 man front. The O line blocks to the right, with the 5 linemen taking on the 5 DL to the right side.

It could be that the RB has responsibility for that DE and he gets a little on him, but I'd be surprised if he's supposed to be blocking him and not just picking up strays. We 3 TE's inline I don't understand why one doesn't chip him, if not one was assigned.

On the plus side, Kyler didn't run out behind the LOS.

Open to other interpretations.

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To me, this reads like basically a single man route. The idea is the TE gets free in the wash and the backside defender gets caught between honoring Kyler’s scrambling or dropping to the TE. Where I feel this play is lost effective is when the TE crosses the formation on underneath the OL which screens him.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think Kyler made an ok play. Maybe he could have thrown to the back pylon to give Higgins a chance to beat the LB but I don’t blame him for just throwing it away to get to the next play.

 

[football karma]

Wait, if Marv ran the correct route but it was impossible for Kyler to throw the ball to him, why did he throw it?

Anyway, should get to that play today at some point.

as i understand it: Kyler put the ball the only place he could given where the backside safety was and Marv ran the only place he could given where the front side safety was

Warner noted commenting on the film -- he thought Marv should/could have moved more inside on his release right off the snap to get better position down the middle of the field so he could get to his landmark - which was the hash

 

[BritCard]

First TD. Not much to report here. O line did a good job. Was at least 2 open options open for the TD, probably Conner too.

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[kerouac9]

Next play. A lot of the issues with pressure came from the TE's.

Now, this could be a QB issue or not, I don't know, but it's an unusual front that is going to require the QB to set protections as it's essentially a 6 man front. The O line blocks to the right, with the 5 linemen taking on the 5 DL to the right side.

It could be that the RB has responsibility for that DE and he gets a little on him, but I'd be surprised if he's supposed to be blocking him and not just picking up strays. We 3 TE's inline I don't understand why one doesn't chip him, if not one was assigned.

On the plus side, Kyler didn't run out behind the LOS.

Open to other interpretations.

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I feel like Conner not even being about to slow down the free runner is the main culprit here. Gotta hand it to em.

 

[football karma]

Next play. A lot of the issues with pressure came from the TE's.

Now, this could be a QB issue or not, I don't know, but it's an unusual front that is going to require the QB to set protections as it's essentially a 6 man front. The O line blocks to the right, with the 5 linemen taking on the 5 DL to the right side.

It could be that the RB has responsibility for that DE and he gets a little on him, but I'd be surprised if he's supposed to be blocking him and not just picking up strays. We 3 TE's inline I don't understand why one doesn't chip him, if not one was assigned.

On the plus side, Kyler didn't run out behind the LOS.

Open to other interpretations.

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i feel like this was just good defense. 56(?) comes on a pressure that Conner doesnt pick up (which looked to be a challenge given the play action) and that blew things up. I agree that had Kyler had a touch more time, a throw to the back pylon gets a TD

 

[BritCard]

I think Kyler made an ok play. Maybe he could have thrown to the back pylon to give Higgins a chance to beat the LB but I don’t blame him for just throwing it away to get to the next play.

The option/scramble play? Whole thing was messy though.

 

[BritCard]

I feel like Conner not even being about to slow down the free runner is the main culprit here. Gotta hand it to em.

Problem for Conner is that the guy is right there when he finished PA and he's not in any kind of good position to block him.

 

[BACH]

i feel like this was just good defense. 56(?) comes on a pressure that Conner doesnt pick up (which looked to be a challenge given the play action) and that blew things up. I agree that had Kyler had a touch more time, a throw to the back pylon gets a TD

Saints looked much better than I expected. Not sure how many games they will win, but the team played hard