Game 1 - Saints - All 22 thread

[QuebecCard]

Note to self: Bird's eye view is not the same as at ground level.

 

[BritCard]

Note to self: Bird's eye view is not the same as at ground level.

I'm pretty sure QB's getting paid $55m a year (or any amount) are supposed to be able to see all their receivers from a clean pocket.

 

[BritCard]

First offensive play after the TD.

I'm pretty sure this is predetermined to go to Trey. The Line blocks like it's a run play to the left, Kyler boots right, Trey leaks out and it probably gets 8-12 yards if not for the bad pass. Saints cover it well but the pass is there for Trey to turn upfield.

There are some things I don't like about the rest of the play and I think someone didn't run it right. Higgins and Marv are too close together and make it easy for the deep safety to cover both. I want to see the safety in conflict here. And I want to see a 2nd option on that side if Trey is covered. Marv should be pulling the safety away from that side and giving Higgins space on the crosser.

There are a lot of predetermined throws in this offense. I would like to have been able to post more examples of Kyler going through reads but 75% of all passing plays are Set Hut, Catch, Throw right away.

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[Harry]

Here's the EZ angle of the same play. Does this look like a QB going through reads?

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Perfect opportunity to step up in pocket

 

[BritCard]

Very next play. There are a lot of plays like this in this offense.

Ball is snapped. Kyler stares down his 1st read and throws a quick pass for 4 yards. Not all of them are bad throws like this, obviously.

There was a lot of this with Kliff too, so do we think this is a Kyler thing?

He's under no sign of pressure. No need to rush the ball out. I want my QB's when clean to let the routes over 5 yards develop, not automatically take the 4 yard checkdown.

Pretty sure this pass was sloppy because of poor mechanics. At let those that know more than me like @Chopper0080 comment on that, but doesn't look right to me. Throwing off his front foot, his feet are level at release, body position looks poor. Doesn't look like 10,000 throws I've seen before.

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[BritCard]

The very next play Petzing says "Have a mulligan Kyler. Let's run the exact same play again".

This confirms it's a predetermined play to Trey. Everyone else is just working on their fitness.

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[BirdGangThing]

The very next play Petzing says "Have a mulligan Kyler. Let's run the exact same play again".

This confirms it's a predetermined play to Trey. Everyone else is just working on their fitness.

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petzing did this a couple few times - like we were still in training camp - "run it again offense - til you get it right!"

 

[BritCard]

Next play.

I don't know what happening here at all. It looks like a designed run for Kyler off PA but the whole O line blocks as if it should be handed off to Conner. The right tackle and right guard pull, the center and LG take position to block the pursuing DT and DE from their side. Nobody is in any position to block for Kyler, there's no lead blocker and all of the O line are on the wrong side to stop pursuit. Even Trey, who is on Kylers side of the run, is loafing as if the ball was meant to go away from him.

I have no idea what happened here. Lucky Kyler didn't get hurt.

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[BirdGangThing]

Next play.

I don't know what happening here at all. It looks like a designed run for Kyler off PA but the whole O line blocks as if it should be handed off to Conner. The right tackle and right guard pull, the center and LG take position to block the pursuing DT and DE from their side. Nobody is in any position to block for Kyler, there's no lead blocker and all of the O line are on the wrong side to stop pursuit. Even Trey, who is on Kylers side of the run, is loafing as if the ball was meant to go away from him.

I have no idea what happened here. Lucky Kyler didn't get hurt.

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option? their linebacker keyed in on conner - met him at the los - the db's saw it wasn't pass and made easy work of kyler

 

[BritCard]

Whole team very sloppy in run blocking so far. I assume it's not going to get better. TE's especially so, but O line not blameless either. Effort is there, but just bad positions, wrong angles etc

 

[BritCard]

option? their linebacker keyed in on conner - met him at the los - the db's saw it wasn't pass and made easy work of kyler

Yeah but the whole set up is bad. If that's a designed run for Kyler it's a very bad one.

It would have been a FAR better play has Trey run a crossing route off the PA, he'd have had acres of space off the LB's biting.

 

[BritCard]

I don't like this from Petzing or the offense don't execute it well. There must have been a penalty as they are 20 yards to 1st down.

Connor telegraphs the screen right away letting the safety bite on him. The whole things is executed too quickly so Adams is nowhere. There's are more blocking linemen in space on the other side of the play than on Conners side. The whole thing is a crap show from start to finish. Call, design, execution. Bin this play.

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[BritCard]

If you took Conner from where he was and moved him down here he might have a chance.

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[BritCard]

Next play. Getting near half time and this is the 1st passing play that looks like a typical NFL offense.

Clean pocket. Kyler takes his time. Sees that Marv will come open in the middle with them playing zone, waits patiently and hits him with a bit of anticipation on the dig.

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[MadCardDisease]

The very next play Petzing says "Have a mulligan Kyler. Let's run the exact same play again".

This confirms it's a predetermined play to Trey. Everyone else is just working on their fitness.

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The difference between those two plays is that on the first one Trey steps inside about a yard to fake a block or something. Almost looks like Kyler was firing to a "spot" where he expected Trey to be. On the second play Trey stops where Kyler was expecting.

 

[BritCard]

Next play. It's 3rd and 12 ish.

Not sure what happens on the protection here but the DE ends up unblocked. Four linemen on the right end up blocking 2 and Paris ends up with 2 on 1 and rightly takes the inside guy.

Kyler does well to see it right away, scramble up field and find Trey to convert.

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[BritCard]

The difference between those two plays is that on the first one Trey steps inside about a yard to fake a block or something. Almost looks like Kyler was firing to a "spot" where he expected Trey to be. On the second play Trey stops where Kyler was expecting.

When only 8 yards away and standing still it's probably best to just throw it where they are. Very rarely are receivers going to be exactly where they should be once a defense has got involved.

 

[MadCardDisease]

The difference between those two plays is that on the first one Trey steps inside about a yard to fake a block or something. Almost looks like Kyler was firing to a "spot" where he expected Trey to be. On the second play Trey stops where Kyler was expecting.

Actually taking a closer look at it, it appears that this DL has his hand in the passing lane forcing Kyler to change his throwing angle:

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[football karma]

Next play.

I don't know what happening here at all. It looks like a designed run for Kyler off PA but the whole O line blocks as if it should be handed off to Conner. The right tackle and right guard pull, the center and LG take position to block the pursuing DT and DE from their side. Nobody is in any position to block for Kyler, there's no lead blocker and all of the O line are on the wrong side to stop pursuit. Even Trey, who is on Kylers side of the run, is loafing as if the ball was meant to go away from him.

I have no idea what happened here. Lucky Kyler didn't get hurt.

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it felt like the Saints defensive plan was to play the boot and take their chances with the handoff to the RB. On this play if you look at the moment of the handoff -- three defenders on the backside arent pursuing but are heads up waiting

 

[phillycard]

This is the 1st of Kyler's self sacks.

I don't really like the play design but then I don't like right handed throwers booting out to that side but we've ran this play before and Saints knew it. When we normally run this it's a pass to McBride in the flat and he get's another 5-6 YAC, but the DE drops off with McBride and blows it up.

But the 2nd option here is Marv. You'll see Marv fake out the CB and send up up field so he's uncovered but Kyler has already decided he's going to sack himself rather than having his eyes upfield. That's poor QB play for me.

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This one was the one right here. Sat not too far from where Marv broke open. Could have chucked my $20 beer.

 

[football karma]

Next play. It's 3rd and 12 ish.

Not sure what happens on the protection here but the DE ends up unblocked. Four linemen on the right end up blocking 2 and Paris ends up with 2 on 1 and rightly takes the inside guy.

Kyler does well to see it right away, scramble up field and find Trey to convert.

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this might have been Kylers best rep all things considered

 

[BirdGangThing]

This one was the one right here. Sat not too far from where Marv broke open. Could have chucked my $20 beer.

my glass flask cuts my tab in half - enough rum for four cokes

 

[QuebecCard]

I'm pretty sure QB's getting paid $55m a year (or any amount) are supposed to be able to see all their receivers from a clean pocket.

$55m won't give you an inch in height.

 

[Proximo]

Very next play. There are a lot of plays like this in this offense.

Ball is snapped. Kyler stares down his 1st read and throws a quick pass for 4 yards. Not all of them are bad throws like this, obviously.

There was a lot of this with Kliff too, so do we think this is a Kyler thing?

He's under no sign of pressure. No need to rush the ball out. I want my QB's when clean to let the routes over 5 yards develop, not automatically take the 4 yard checkdown.

Pretty sure this pass was sloppy because of poor mechanics. At let those that know more than me like @Chopper0080 comment on that, but doesn't look right to me. Throwing off his front foot, his feet are level at release, body position looks poor. Doesn't look like 10,000 throws I've seen before.

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Unfortunately I am coming to the conclusion this has to be a Kyler thing.

I think his lack of vision from the pocket and fear of getting sacked makes him happy to take the quick short passes. This thread has clearly shown some wide open receivers down field, but Kyler doesn't want to wait to throw to them. That is a pretty huge problem for a guy in his 7th year.

 

[Proximo]

this might have been Kylers best rep all things considered

I don't think it is a coincidence this is one of the very few times I ever remember him stepping up in the pocket.