Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Mauigoa is the opportunity for this franchise to shore up both tackle positions for the foreseeable future. This will have much greater positive lasting effect on the team than reaching for a mediocre QB out of desperation.



Ugh…Monti.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No oline, no run game.

 

[Stout]

Mauigoa is the opportunity for this franchise to shore up both tackle positions for the foreseeable future. This will have much greater positive lasting effect on the team than reaching for a mediocre QB out of desperation.



Ugh…Monti.

Great! Let's take one in the 2nd or trade into the bottom of the first. It's a deep pool with very little to separate them and no defined top OT prospect.

 

[BulldogCard]

I'd take the guy that can score 20 touchdowns before a RT at 3. It's coaching..it's veteran OL men. A rookie reach for RT ...he'll get owned. Meanwhile Love will score 20 tds in the NFL. No RT will make a difference. Get Simpson, get Love. This stupid franchise never gets it...it stops this year. Make a trade, even involve a player, my favorite player. Get it done. Otherwise Simpson is a NYJ. They will take him at 16. Trade up.

If the cardinals draft love they will give him a bad name…..won’t be able to find room to run behind this line….dysfunctional organizations take running backs in the top 10….lafleur comes from the rams….he knows the rams and hawks would fear the somoan steamroller more

No, wrong. You think like a Cardinal...nope. .wrong. wrong

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Great! Let's take one in the 2nd or trade into the bottom of the first. It's a deep pool with very little to separate them and no defined top

I'd take the guy that can score 20 touchdowns before a RT at 3. It's coaching..it's veteran OL men. A rookie reach for RT ...he'll get owned. Meanwhile Love will score 20 tds in the NFL. No RT will make a difference. Get Simpson, get Love. This stupid franchise never gets it...it stops this year. Make a trade, even involve a player, my favorite player. Get it done. Otherwise Simpson is a NYJ. They will take him at 16. Trade up.

No, wrong. You think like a Cardinal...nope. .wrong. wrong

Yeah let’s get Simpson and get him no o line help? Get Simpson and a stud ot…..you don’t need a stud runner to get the championship….

 

[Stout]

Yeah let’s get Simpson and get him no o line help? Get Simpson and a stud ot…..you don’t need a stud runner to get the championship….

You forgot the part where we DON'T get Simpson.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Great! Let's take one in the 2nd or trade into the bottom of the first. It's a deep pool with very little to separate them and no defined top OT prospect.

I actually think there is a dropoff from Mauigoa to Fano. Both performed well at the collegiate level, but Mauigoa is built like a brick house, while Fano is lean looking. Guys like Fano tend to really struggle early with power.

Big Max from ASU is basically new to football and still has a lot to learn. I'm not betting on him when I have no realistic roster option.

Kadyn Proctor is a huge guy and supposedly a good athlete but he notable struggled with speed at times in college, and I'd bet he's moving to guard at some point.

Mauigoa gave up like a 1% pressure rate according to all of the sites that chatted his pass block attempts. He was absolutely dominant, and would be even higher rated if he is was a LT. But this is one of those situations where need and BPA intersect.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is kind of like the Bengals back when they had the 3rd pick and were debating between Sewell and JaMar Chase. Do the Cards take Mauigoa or Love? Both Sewell and Chase have been great, but Chase has had the much greater impact. Take the playmaker every time.
Love is higher rated and going to have a greater effect on the offense. Like Bobby Carpenter said on the radio back then, teams don't game plan for OT's. They gameplan for playmakers.

 

[Finito]

A hard no. 1 he’s a RT and 2 people are already saying he’s not even that and he would be better at guard. If I’m picking top 3 I want a blue chip prospect at his position

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is kind of like the Bengals back when they had the 3rd pick and were debating between Sewell and JaMar Chase. Do the Cards take Mauigoa or Love? Both Sewell and Chase have been great, but Chase has had the much greater impact. Take the playmaker every time.
Love is higher rated and going to have a greater effect on the offense. Like Bobby Carpenter said on the radio back then, teams don't game plan for OT's. They gameplan for playmakers.

Easier to game plan for a playmaker when their blocking in front sucks.

I'd take St. Brown and Sewell over Chase and Who?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Easier to game plan for a playmaker when their blocking in front sucks.

I'd take St. Brown and Sewell over Chase and Who?

I'd take Chase and who. They made it to the SB largely on the play of Chase.

 

[Stout]

I actually think there is a dropoff from Mauigoa to Fano. Both performed well at the collegiate level, but Mauigoa is built like a brick house, while Fano is lean looking. Guys like Fano tend to really struggle early with power.

Big Max from ASU is basically new to football and still has a lot to learn. I'm not betting on him when I have no realistic roster option.

Kadyn Proctor is a huge guy and supposedly a good athlete but he notable struggled with speed at times in college, and I'd bet he's moving to guard at some point.

Mauigoa gave up like a 1% pressure rate according to all of the sites that chatted his pass block attempts. He was absolutely dominant, and would be even higher rated if he is was a LT. But this is one of those situations where need and BPA intersect.

Disagree. Every one of the OT prospects has warts this year. Forgetting all the "He'll be a guard" whispers about, in your opinion, the top prospect?

 

[Stout]

Easier to game plan for a playmaker when their blocking in front sucks.

I'd take St. Brown and Sewell over Chase and Who?

C'mon, now you're just embarrassing yourself. What concocted comparison is this? Also, you've never seen a great RB make a pedestrian line look better? Forget Sanders, as you'll cry it isn't modern, look at our line and JC. It's not like we had a line of Big Johns; JC broke a lot of tackles and made the OL look better.

Look, I get it. You've chosen your guy and you'll fight tooth and claw to claim he's the best pick. I've done it before and I'm sure I'll do it again. Sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right. Same for you. Can you at least stop pretending that you have all the answers and you're unequivocally right?

 

[GatorAZ]

This is kind of like the Bengals back when they had the 3rd pick and were debating between Sewell and JaMar Chase. Do the Cards take Mauigoa or Love? Both Sewell and Chase have been great, but Chase has had the much greater impact. Take the playmaker every time.
Love is higher rated and going to have a greater effect on the offense. Like Bobby Carpenter said on the radio back then, teams don't game plan for OT's. They gameplan for playmakers.

Bengals had the 5th pick but if Chase and Sewell both played their last season in college they’re going top-3. I mean Kyle Pitts and Trey Lance went before those guys. The Covid draft was crazy.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would suspect with what some call a meh draft, the different draft boards of all the teams should be all over the place. Should be a lot of surprises in my opinion.

It's not that different of a draft from last year. Equally meh IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

You might, as a fan; the football community doesn't. It's funny that you lump them is as #content while insinuating your opinion matters

So, since my opinion weighs as much as yours, for me there clearly isn't a consensus top OT. So there isn't. So there

Ok. If you are just going to go off of "the football community" then why are you here? Honest question. If you are just here for an echo chamber to what you think or what is being shared online then I don't know what to say. I reference #content because some of the people who speak on the draft don't have any idea of what they are talking about. As Cardinals fans, it is very similar to listening to people's opinion's on the team when they don't even follow it.

In terms of this draft, Vegas has Mauigoa as a clear favorite -175 to Freeland +195 so I don't feel I am coming up with this out of knowhere. It's also why I said "the joy in the draft for me"...for me, there is clarity. I can only speak for myself. So, on a message board, my opinion matters to me but may vary by the readers of the board. I get that you may not agree with it, and it is up to you if you want to present a why behind that disagreement.

 

[Chopper0080]

This is kind of like the Bengals back when they had the 3rd pick and were debating between Sewell and JaMar Chase. Do the Cards take Mauigoa or Love? Both Sewell and Chase have been great, but Chase has had the much greater impact. Take the playmaker every time.
Love is higher rated and going to have a greater effect on the offense. Like Bobby Carpenter said on the radio back then, teams don't game plan for OT's. They gameplan for playmakers.

Counterpoint is that despite Chase, Burrow has taken more QB hits than Andrew Luck over their early careers. Is that sustainable or a desirable outcome?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'd take Chase and who. They made it to the SB largely on the play of Chase.

And lost that Super Bowl because they couldn't block for their QB

 

[Krangodnzr]

C'mon, now you're just embarrassing yourself. What concocted comparison is this? Also, you've never seen a great RB make a pedestrian line look better? Forget Sanders, as you'll cry it isn't modern, look at our line and JC. It's not like we had a line of Big Johns; JC broke a lot of tackles and made the OL look better.

Look, I get it. You've chosen your guy and you'll fight tooth and claw to claim he's the best pick. I've done it before and I'm sure I'll do it again. Sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right. Same for you. Can you at least stop pretending that you have all the answers and you're unequivocally right?

Love ain't Barry Sanders, he's more like Miles Sanders.

And I haven't "chosen my guy", you have. Im open to:

Bailey
Mauigoa







Love.



It's just dumb to draft a back when the OL is still terrible or you have a shot at an impact edge rusher.

 

[Krangodnzr]

. Can you at least stop pretending that you have all the answers and you're unequivocally right?

Buddy that's how YOU sound. I'm open to MULTIPLE players, to include Love.

No matter what anyone says, you won't like Mauigoa, Im starting to understand that. I was against Love, but had an open mind and now would be fine, with the caveat that it's a poor use for resources.

And I'm embarrassing myself? What a low blow. I'm not attacking you, I don't know why you can't be civil.

 

[Chopper0080]

A hard no. 1 he’s a RT and 2 people are already saying he’s not even that and he would be better at guard. If I’m picking top 3 I want a blue chip prospect at his position

Similar people said the same thing about Tristan Wirfs.

 

[Chopper0080]

Disagree. Every one of the OT prospects has warts this year. Forgetting all the "He'll be a guard" whispers about, in your opinion, the top prospect?

Again...there was a similar narrative around Wirfs. Wirfs was only ever a RT at Iowa. Wirfs wasn't 6'7 (prototype). Wirfs would be a great OG but only ok RT. Same was said about Rashaun Slater of the Chargers. He is a really good LT. But because he was short and didn't have great length, some lazy draft reporting started a narrative that he would be a better OG.

I disagreed about Wirfs. I was right. I disagreed about Slater though I wasn't as confident. I was right. I disagree about Mauigoa. Who knows if I will be right with him. I just personally think these "best at OG" narratives are being used as lazy, early draft takes on guys with less than prototype builds and especially on those who also play RT. EDIT (I am not saying I was right as an example of being smarter, just citing how these narratives have been incorrect in the past and why I feel this is similar)

And in terms of warts...most draft picks every year have warts. You are betting on their continued growth vs what they are when you draft them.

 

[Chopper0080]

I am open to debating about Mauigoa as a prospect, but I feel the argument that has been presented against him being a top prospect or the top OL prospect in this draft as been the equivalent of "nuh uh". If I am missing or missed more substantiative arguments, I would love to hear them.

His size and resume are that of a top OT.

Most draft experts back my feelings on him being the best OL from what I have seen. Maybe I missed somebody.

I have addressed why some other teams in the top 10 would not be interested in him.

In terms of over draft grades historically, using NFL.com as a reference, his grades are similar to other OTs who were drafted in the top 10.

I get not wanting to take a RT at 3. 100%. But just in terms of a prospect, I don't really understand where people are getting that he isn't a top guy.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Similar people said the same thing about Tristan Wirfs.

He was picked 13th also and is now on the left side too. Barring injury, Mauigoa is going to be the RT and positionally wise that's just not a top 5 drafted position and not even the best player on the OL. To me, you don't use a #3 pick on that. At least Bailey, Love and Reese play impact positions and are much more valued because it is harder to find those types of players at the coveted positions.
I know RB isn't always a coveted position at the top, but the good, potentially great ones are, and it seems like RB's are starting to move back into the limelight.

 

[DVontel]

he's more like Miles Sanders.

This is just flat out disrespectful.