Fine, I'm fine with Francis Mauigoa

[DVontel]

Reese play impact positions

I think Reese is primarily going to play ILB in the league so how much more impactful is that really?

 

[DVontel]

"the football community" then why are you here? Honest question

The problem I have with Stout when it comes to the draft. Like man, think for yourself, not what others say.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And lost that Super Bowl because they couldn't block for their QB

That's not a good argument.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Pos

I think Reese is primarily going to play ILB in the league so how much more impactful is that really?

Possibly, but I see him being pegged as an edge as well. Agree if he's going to be used at ILB.

 

[Chopper0080]

He was picked 13th also and is now on the left side too. Barring injury, Mauigoa is going to be the RT and positionally wise that's just not a top 5 drafted position and not even the best player on the OL. To me, you don't use a #3 pick on that. At least Bailey, Love and Reese play impact positions and are much more valued because it is harder to find those types of players at the coveted positions.
I know RB isn't always a coveted position at the top, but the good, potentially great ones are, and it seems like RB's are starting to move back into the limelight.

1 - I agree that taking a RT high in the draft is unique.

2 - Sewell was taken high in the draft and is still a RT. Lane Johnson as well. People on this board advocated for Wirfs to be a top 10 pick over a player like Simmons so I don't know that Wirfs being picked 13 is meaningful.

3 - Are we sure that Mauigoa won't be a better OT than PJJ? PJJ hasn't been an AP or even a Pro Bowler at this point.

4 - I would disagree that RB is more of an "impact position" than RT because that is a nebulous term. RT's often play more snaps than RBs and are less game script dependent. They don't generate "stats" but that doesn't necessarily mean less impact.

5 - I would argue that RBs drafted in the top 10 have a significantly worse track record with the team that drafted them than OTs.

6 - I am ok if your preference is Love at 3, I just disagree with some of your arguments to support it. I absolutely agree that EDGE is a higher value position than RT. I also would prefer Bailey at 3. I am less sure about Reese.

 

[Chopper0080]

Pos

Possibly, but I see him being pegged as an edge as well. Agree if he's going to be used at ILB.

One of my big issues with taking Arvell Reese at 3 is that the DC of this team is likely to get fired after this season. I have a smaller but similar question with Bailey, but he is more of a traditional EDGE player while Reese is less traditional. The next DC might not be interested is a hybrid player like Reese at EDGE.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is just flat out disrespectful.

I mean, he did mention the great one..yeah closer to Miles.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That's not a good argument.

Its a great argument. Even with Chase on their team, the Bengals OL wasn't good enough to close out the Super Bowl, a game in which they had the lead

 

[Stout]

Ok. If you are just going to go off of "the football community" then why are you here? Honest question. If you are just here for an echo chamber to what you think or what is being shared online then I don't know what to say. I reference #content because some of the people who speak on the draft don't have any idea of what they are talking about. As Cardinals fans, it is very similar to listening to people's opinion's on the team when they don't even follow it.

In terms of this draft, Vegas has Mauigoa as a clear favorite -175 to Freeland +195 so I don't feel I am coming up with this out of knowhere. It's also why I said "the joy in the draft for me"...for me, there is clarity. I can only speak for myself. So, on a message board, my opinion matters to me but may vary by the readers of the board. I get that you may not agree with it, and it is up to you if you want to present a why behind that disagreement.

I was responding to a message board poster with no more legitimacy than I spouting off absolutes about Mauigoa. So, yeah, I shot him down, because he thinks he knows more than them. He wasn't sounding off opinions but was rather presenting them as facts. Nope. Nope nope nope.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Its a great argument. Even with Chase on their team, the Bengals OL wasn't good enough to close out the Super Bowl, a game in which they had the lead

I will take Bailey and a small trade up for a tackle….or Francis maugoa and an edge or Simpson late 1 or 34 either way I am happy

 

[Stout]

And lost that Super Bowl because they couldn't block for their QB

So now you're putting Mauigoa in Sewell's ability range? Cool. Cool cool cool.

 

[Stout]

Love ain't Barry Sanders, he's more like Miles Sanders.

And I haven't "chosen my guy", you have. Im open to:

Bailey
Mauigoa







Love.



It's just dumb to draft a back when the OL is still terrible or you have a shot at an impact edge rusher.

It's just dumb to draft inferior talent at a position group that no one can agree has a top player.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So now you're putting Mauigoa in Sewell's ability range? Cool. Cool cool cool.

No... stop.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's just dumb to draft inferior talent at a position group that no one can agree has a top player.

OK so let's draft the most talented punter ever with our first rounder

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's just dumb to draft inferior talent at a position group that no one can agree has a top player.

Love is only the top player by a wide margin because the RB group in this draft is beyond terrible

 

[Stout]

Buddy that's how YOU sound. I'm open to MULTIPLE players, to include Love.

No matter what anyone says, you won't like Mauigoa, Im starting to understand that. I was against Love, but had an open mind and now would be fine, with the caveat that it's a poor use for resources.

And I'm embarrassing myself? What a low blow. I'm not attacking you, I don't know why you can't be civil.

I actually like Mauigoa as a player; I don't like him at #3. If we had, say, the 12th pick in the draft? Sure, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. I just don't want to overdraft him at #3. Love isn't my first choice either, and trust me, I'm not all about drafting a RB high. I just see him as 1 of 4 top, blue-chip talents in this draft. My whole argument is that Mauigoa isn't one of them. You're argument, nay flat-out assertion is that he's the consensus top OT and there's no arguing that point. Clearly there is.

I get it. You got pushback to your opinion so you began to hyperbolize. I can recognize it because I've done it. I simply refuse to have my opinion changed because you declare it to be so.

 

[Stout]

Again...there was a similar narrative around Wirfs. Wirfs was only ever a RT at Iowa. Wirfs wasn't 6'7 (prototype). Wirfs would be a great OG but only ok RT. Same was said about Rashaun Slater of the Chargers. He is a really good LT. But because he was short and didn't have great length, some lazy draft reporting started a narrative that he would be a better OG.

I disagreed about Wirfs. I was right. I disagreed about Slater though I wasn't as confident. I was right. I disagree about Mauigoa. Who knows if I will be right with him. I just personally think these "best at OG" narratives are being used as lazy, early draft takes on guys with less than prototype builds and especially on those who also play RT. EDIT (I am not saying I was right as an example of being smarter, just citing how these narratives have been incorrect in the past and why I feel this is similar)

And in terms of warts...most draft picks every year have warts. You are betting on their continued growth vs what they are when you draft them.

Fair take.

 

[DVontel]

I mean, he did mention the great one..yeah closer to Miles.

You said more like, not closer, though.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One of my big issues with taking Arvell Reese at 3 is that the DC of this team is likely to get fired after this season. I have a smaller but similar question with Bailey, but he is more of a traditional EDGE player while Reese is less traditional. The next DC might not be interested is a hybrid player like Reese at EDGE.

I look at it like this. Let's say he ends up just being a really good ILB. Would that would be worth the #3 pick? Nope, that's like taking a RB at #3.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You said more like, not closer, though.

More like and closer mean the same damn thing!

 

[Stout]

The problem I have with Stout when it comes to the draft. Like man, think for yourself, not what others say.

I'm not the one with the problem there. Try reading what I'm responding to, eh? FFS, I actually support drafting a RB, which is something I would usually be against. Other posters are talking up Mauigoa as a sure-fire can't miss best OT by far in this draft prospect, and, well, he's not. There's thinking for yourself, and I'm happy to disagree with their opinion, but there's them (looking at you, @Krangodnzr ) stating their opinions as facts. So yeah, I'm going to push back.

 

[Stout]

Its a great argument. Even with Chase on their team, the Bengals OL wasn't good enough to close out the Super Bowl, a game in which they had the lead

LOL And Sewell couldn't get his team to a SB, so argument lost. SMH man, just give it up.

 

[Stout]

OK so let's draft the most talented punter ever with our first rounder

Now you're just trolling, bro. You know it, I know it. Keep representing your opinions as facts and I'll keep pew pew pewing them down.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I actually like Mauigoa as a player; I don't like him at #3. If we had, say, the 12th pick in the draft? Sure, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. I just don't want to overdraft him at #3. Love isn't my first choice either, and trust me, I'm not all about drafting a RB high. I just see him as 1 of 4 top, blue-chip talents in this draft. My whole argument is that Mauigoa isn't one of them. You're argument, nay flat-out assertion is that he's the consensus top OT and there's no arguing that point. Clearly there is.

I get it. You got pushback to your opinion so you began to hyperbolize. I can recognize it because I've done it. I simply refuse to have my opinion changed because you declare it to be so.

See, I don't really think Love is a blue chip player, and if you look at the ratings from scouting services, the scouting services don't either.

I like him, but he doesn't really touch the elite stratosphere of RBs. He's not Saquon or Bijan Robinson, and just like Mauigoa, if you take him at #3 you're overdrafting him as well.

With talent poor drafts like this, I think you just take the player your team needs the most. While the Cardinals RB room does lack some pop, they should be a steady enough group. The same can't be said about RT, where Wilkerson is the only guy.

 

[Krangodnzr]

LOL And Sewell couldn't get his team to a SB, so argument lost. SMH man, just give it up.

Lions didn't fail due to their OL