Encouraging Kyler Murray Trends

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  1. Timm Rosenbach

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    Watching the Patrick Mahomes injury in real time made me sick. Realizing that Andy Reid let him dislocate his knee on a QB sneak made me realize how much you need to protect a first round QB.Don’t let it happen again. The Chiefs Franchise will be regretting that play for years. Don’t care about the Murray vs others talk. Just protect Kyler
     
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    Huh? Tom Brady and others seem to do just fine. That was completely a freak injury imo
     
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    This week's update: Trends still going in the right direction.

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    The offense right now is 18th in DVOA and our team performance is being dragged down by bad defense and special teams (a blocked punt will do that to you).

    Also, according to DVOA, we've had 25th-hardest schedule (8th easiest) so far, and we have the fourth-hardest going forward.
     
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    https://www.azcardinals.com/news/kliff-kingsbury-not-afraid-to-adapt
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Thx for updating this every week! It’s a nice way to confirm what we are seeing on the field.
     
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    Through week 8, and the trends are reverting back toward the mean:

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    Cards now face the 2nd hardest schedule in the NFL going forward. Murray is 25th in DYAR, and 13th in QBR. In DYAR, he's situated between Mitchell Trubisky and Marcus Mariota.

    I'm going to truther these QBR stats for a second: What is a 13th ranking in QBR really showing? The stat weights for "clutch situations", which would (theoretically) provide extra credit for performance in tight games whether we win or lose. That said, Murray's 55.1 QBR basically puts him slightly above average, which maybe checks out.
     
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    Through 10 games, we're getting better.
     
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    Its 57.1

    Yes, 3rd down, redzone and clutch situations have hurt his QBR this year.
     
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    I think the hope is that Kyler can one day play to the MVP caliber level that Deshaun and Lamar have displayed this year.

    Here is an interesting comparison. Now that is with the number changing on my part. I removed the Giants game as weather clearly impacted his averages (I know some will have a problem with that, but the purpose is still to show how well he's doing/how well we're using him in our game plan. Our gameplan was truly impacted that game. Only the Redskins/49ers game was the only weather ruined game this year.)

    Here are what Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson are doing




    Kyler's stats through the other 9 games (witholding the Giants game that clearly was impacted by weather)
    Passing
    2449 12 tds 5 ints 90.9
    Rushing
    323 yards 2 tds
    Total
    2781 yards 14 TDs

    Whats killing Kyler is the redzone issues.


    So Kliff has actually done a really good job with Kyler. Its just the redzone issues are what truly separate Lamar and Watson from Kyler (obviously a big deal).

    Lions, Bucs, Ravens, 49ers are games where he/the team simply didn't do enough in the redzone and it cost us victories.

    If Kyler can improve in that area then we have a lot to be excited about. Its a big IF. Cause some have a feel for the redzone while others don't....however, the Cards have done a good job in getting a lot of him.

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    If you just take like the last 4 or 5 games played, what would km's red zone numbers look like? Is he getting closer to the 59% (league?) average?
     
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    I think KM can improve in the redzone but it depends on Kliff's playcalling. He gets too cute when its in the redzone...a heavyset formation with a playaction pass comes to mind. I cannot see how we are number one in 2 point conversions and 4th down yet we are bottom in redzone points score. Those two needs to put it all together.
     
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  15. Crimson Warrior

    Crimson Warrior Dangerous Murray Zealot

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    Like the OP mentions, the great thing is that were getting into the red zone a lot, and I'm really proud of both Murray and KK, who are the catalyst, but also the rest of the unit as well.

    Maybe we would be better in the redzone if the o-line we're a little more physical. Having an athletic TE might also help.

    I wonder what kind of skill position player (other than QB) is most effective in the red zone? A RB with great receiving skills like DJ? Fleet footed WRs like Edleman?

    Big strong WRs like megatron, or Brandon Marshall?
     

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